Big East on YES Network

[BEX]

The good news just keeps on coming:

http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2013/7 ... es-network

[Barley]

St Johns games I assume?

[nathanhm]

Good news? Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought all Big East games were going to air on Fox Sports 1, this would appear to refute that. Having games on YES is a step down from FS1.

[James]

Good news? Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought all Big East games were going to air on Fox Sports 1, this would appear to refute that. Having games on YES is a step down from FS1.

It's very good news for St. John's and Seton Hall as this will open up another market in NYC.

[yorost]

Good news? Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought all Big East games were going to air on Fox Sports 1, this would appear to refute that. Having games on YES is a step down from FS1.

All? They bought all the games, but they're not going to go airing all the games for the bottom teams. It's said to be around 100 regular season games, and conference play is 90 games. Given they need air time during the OOC period, too, I'm guessing it'll be something like 40 OOC and 60 Conference games. That let's them trim the lower interest conference games and probably stick to the tourney teams and high profile opponents in OOC.

Fox owns all of our athletic content, with maybe some exceptions on outside existing contracts. In other conference's you often hear about multiple contracts. We tend to measure on the primary football/basketball one, but there are also secondary and the local/regional deals. In our case Fox bought bulk, so, I would assume, they are the ones that sell the lower level deals, not us. This is an important point in discussing the value of the deal, not that I have any answers on it. Look at Denver coming for lacrosse. Another conference might use that to leverage an extra, smaller, deal from Fox for the sport, but in our case we should be a 'freebie' for Fox if they want to air Denver games, which I bet they do (Fox recently inked the virtually defunct ECAC Denver came from). We're an open access library for Fox. No idea what their plans are on grabbing it all, but I assume we should expect side deals.

[1989Pirate]

Good news? Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought all Big East games were going to air on Fox Sports 1, this would appear to refute that. Having games on YES is a step down from FS1.

It's very good news for St. John's and Seton Hall as this will open up another market in NYC.

I agree, good news for both of those schools. Also, it does make sense since FOX purchased a good chunk of the YES Network.

[Jet915]

Good news? Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought all Big East games were going to air on Fox Sports 1, this would appear to refute that. Having games on YES is a step down from FS1.

It's very good news for St. John's and Seton Hall as this will open up another market in NYC.

Our AD mentioned that FS1 will be airing all conference games, but it's possible that maybe Fox will be selling some of the games to YES or ESPN/CBS which have stated they are interested in some Big East games. I wouldn't mind a variety of networks...

[nathanhm]

Good news? Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought all Big East games were going to air on Fox Sports 1, this would appear to refute that. Having games on YES is a step down from FS1.

All? They bought all the games, but they're not going to go airing all the games for the bottom teams. It's said to be around 100 regular season games, and conference play is 90 games. Given they need air time during the OOC period, too, I'm guessing it'll be something like 40 OOC and 60 Conference games. That let's them trim the lower interest conference games and probably stick to the tourney teams and high profile opponents in OOC.

Fox owns all of our athletic content, with maybe some exceptions on outside existing contracts. In other conference's you often hear about multiple contracts. We tend to measure on the primary football/basketball one, but there are also secondary and the local/regional deals. In our case Fox bought bulk, so, I would assume, they are the ones that sell the lower level deals, not us. This is an important point in discussing the value of the deal, not that I have any answers on it. Look at Denver coming for lacrosse. Another conference might use that to leverage an extra, smaller, deal from Fox for the sport, but in our case we should be a 'freebie' for Fox if they want to air Denver games, which I bet they do (Fox recently inked the virtually defunct ECAC Denver came from). We're an open access library for Fox. No idea what their plans are on grabbing it all, but I assume we should expect side deals.

I sincerely doubt FS1 is going to air 40 games of Big East teams playing home games vs cupcake teams in November and early December, which generate just about zero ratings nationally. Now if those are the games they are selling to the RSNs of the world that makes a whole lot more sense.

It would make a lot more sense for them to air all 90 Big East conference games on FS1 (or close to it) and leave the home OOC games on RSNs unless they were big time games. Sadly most big time OOC games are in early season tournaments these days and the tournament has the TV rights, not the school.

[yorost]

Would you rather...

- air Georgetown vs cupcake when you need weekday content and ESPN family is also lacking in quality games?

or

- air Seton Hall vs DePaul when you have a considerable amount of better content available and ESPN family is loaded with better games?

It's not like Fox can fill up a whole week in Fall with football. Through home games they'll maybe end up with the rights of ten or so quality opponents in OOC and maybe 10 or so passable buy games. ...for instance Marquette vs Southern, while maybe nothing big time, does at least pit two NCAA teams for Fox. It's possible they have the rights to some neutral or away games, too, which could beef up their inventory in the season. I'm not basing my guess on a lack of filler, I'm guessing on when is a more opportune time to air filler. I don't know if it'll be 60-40, but even that's airing more games per week during conference play than OOC. If you start pushing that number of conference games up you're running out of even semi desirable games. There are 56 games without Seton Hall or DePaul in them. Add in those two vs Georgetown and you have 60 games. That library already is pitting you with 7 vs 8 games, though. Fox will have 4-5 quality games a week in conference play. Airing all of the games is around 9 games a week.

This isn't the established ESPN family, I don't think we can think of how Fox will air games in this first 2-3 years in the same way. Maybe they do have all 90 planned to air, but I'll be very curious to see what their plans are in that case.

...and no offense to Seton Hall and DePaul, you're just the bottom two for now. We'll always have bottom teams, it isn't about those two specifically but in how those games draw interest.

[nathanhm]

Would you rather...

- air Georgetown vs cupcake when you need weekday content and ESPN family is also lacking in quality games?

or

- air Seton Hall vs DePaul when you have a considerable amount of better content available and ESPN family is loaded with better games?

It's not like Fox can fill up a whole week in Fall with football. Through home games they'll maybe end up with the rights of ten or so quality opponents in OOC and maybe 10 or so passable buy games. ...for instance Marquette vs Southern, while maybe nothing big time, does at least pit two NCAA teams for Fox. It's possible they have the rights to some neutral or away games, too, which could beef up their inventory in the season. I'm not basing my guess on a lack of filler, I'm guessing on when is a more opportune time to air filler. I don't know if it'll be 60-40, but even that's airing more games per week during conference play than OOC. If you start pushing that number of conference games up you're running out of even semi desirable games. There are 56 games without Seton Hall or DePaul in them. Add in those two vs Georgetown and you have 60 games. That library already is pitting you with 7 vs 8 games, though. Fox will have 4-5 quality games a week in conference play. Airing all of the games is around 9 games a week.

This isn't the established ESPN family, I don't think we can think of how Fox will air games in this first 2-3 years in the same way. Maybe they do have all 90 planned to air, but I'll be very curious to see what their plans are in that case.

...and no offense to Seton Hall and DePaul, you're just the bottom two for now. We'll always have bottom teams, it isn't about those two specifically but in how those games draw interest.

I'd rather be able to say the Big East is the only major basketball conference with every single game on national TV and I'm sure the coaches would love that to from a recruiting perspective. Nothing was more more annoying last year than dealing with the Big East games on ESPN3.com. Luckily living near NYC, SNY picked up most of the Georgetown games relegated to ESPN3 but not if they were in conflict with a St. John's or Seton Hall game. Almost every Big East team already has a deal in place to air their OOC games on their local RSN, so FS1 airing those games nationally is kinda useless. You're talking games where 1 team wins by 30, there are 6,000 fans in the arena, and by the middle of the 2nd half your team is so far into your bench you are trying to figure out who is who.