Is Homogeneity Of Membership Good Or Bad?

[Xudash]

Another poster is correct. there are a lot of fans from other teams outside the BE doing a lot of the talking. I was not aware of this honestly. I do see some Creighton fans calling for it and it just makes me shake my head that they don't apparently see the value and brand that we currently have.

From the whatever it's worth department, I can assure you that I'm not confused on this matter.

- NO to expansion for now and for the foreseeable future.

- NO to expansion involving any basketball-only schools.

Should certain "right schools" become available over time, and assuming that the football issue with them can be addressed properly (whatever that means) for all concerned, then wash those opportunities through our media partner to see what makes sense at that point.

This is about acting as we should: from a position of strength, which is, in fact, the position we're in. It is about everything you guys identified in terms of the rather remarkable value of the BET and MSG and NYC and our overall position within college basketball.

It isn't about being overly reactive and panicky because a wobbly conference decided to pick-up a program (WSU) from another conference.

Stay the course - for now. Keep monitoring ongoing developments in collegiate athletics and sports media. We know we want to grow our performance in terms of viewers, etc. for our media partner - our key performance metrics aren't being ignored.

Continue to build on what we have accomplished, which certainly isn't in need of repair.

[Omaha1]

Another poster is correct. there are a lot of fans from other teams outside the BE doing a lot of the talking. I was not aware of this honestly. I do see some Creighton fans calling for it and it just makes me shake my head that they don't apparently see the value and brand that we currently have.

I literally don't know one Creighton fan advocating for expansion, but whatever.

[sciencejay]

I find it interesting that for the most part the belief we need to expand and some of the ridiculous names that are thrown about are fans of the 3 newer schools. Guys this is not the MVC anymore. This is the BIg East emphasis on Big, meaning Bigtime. Think about what school truly deserves to play in a Conference tournament in MSG when thinking of a school. We have proved this is working great. The league should and will I believe be VERY selective when thinking of expanding if they do at all. This is now an exclusive club, enjoy it.

This isn't the MVC? What? Oh thank you enlightened New Englander for generously teaching us what important, Big Time fans you are! We rough and tumble, uneducated prairie boys sure do 'preciate when you splain things to us like that!

Do you really not have a point to make, or are you simply trying to be an arrogant douche? You've certainly succeeded on both counts. Well played.

I think the 'pro expansion' argument is based on forward-looking issues (maintaining relevancy in a world dominated by football money) while the 'we are good as is' argument is based on 80's era Big East nostalgia. Yes, MSG is great. But does it resonate with 16-18 year old recruits like it did when it hosted OBE brawls, championship-calibur Knicks teams and regular heavyweight championship boxing matches? I simply don't think it does. My interest in WSU has nothing to do with MVC nostalgia. It has everything to do with their basketball-first focus and their success on the court. My argument has always been that more good basketball programs will equate to more high profile (top 10) matchups that most college bb fans will want to watch. I never said we shouldn't be selective. But my arguments for expansion aren't due to some small-town, naive sense about what 'Big Time' means. The fact that your have to target a fan base's geography suggests that you have a very small ability to formulate an argument and offer intelligent counterarguments.

By making expansion only about "Big Time" programs, I guess you are truly limiting it to UConn, ND and KU. ND seems to be truly set for years, and at that point when they can't continue getting their own TV contract, they'll just complete the transition to the ACC. KU may be set for several years, or they may get screwed in the next football-driven realignment. If that happens, I think their next stop is more likely an A10/AAC where they (and K State) could still play FBS-light football. I see UConn in a similar position as KU (in terms of getting left out of the football party next time realignment happens), and I don't think the BEast should bring any school into the conference that still has FBS aspirations.

I have argued that a 12 team conference is better in terms of maintaining 4-6 schools that can compete for the throne. I have made points that some combination of WSU, Gonzaga and VCU can all help us in that regard. None is a slam dunk add, but all would add to the competitiveness of the BEast. I accept that you might have a differing opinion, but yours is the same as mine--an opinion. And my opinion is mine. It is not intended to represent the opinions of all Jays fans (or apparently Butler or X fans since you grouped us all together).

[Fieldhouse Flyer]

I think we can all agree on the following:

5.) UD and VCU trolls will continue to create threads about expansion in order to talk up their two programs.

UD and VCU fans don't start threads about realignment and in fact make few posts on the subject except when engaged in back and forth dialog.

They most certainly do. Now some might not admit to actually being UD or VCU fans but it is obvious they are VCU and UD trolls.

WTF ?

More Realignment on the Way? – HLOH thread started on Mon Mar 02, 2015 by GoldenWarrior11 (Marquette fan)

Conference realignment discussion - v. 2015 – HLOH thread started on Thu Apr 02, 2015 by admin (Moderator)

Conference realignment discussion - v. 2016 – HLOH thread started on Wed Jan 13, 2016 by stever20

Conference Realignment Thread v. 2016 – HLOH thread started on Fri Mar 25, 2016 by admin (Moderator)

Non-Big East Conference Realignment Thread v. 2017 – HLOH thread started on Sun Jan 01, 2017 by billyjack (Moderator)

Add Dayton and VCU – HLOH thread started on Sat Mar 18, 2017 by DudeAnon (Xavier fan)

Geography & Expansion: When Creighton was invited... – HLOH thread started on Thu Mar 30, 2017 by CrawfishBucket (Georgetown fan)

Is Homogeneity Of Membership Good Or Bad? – HLOH thread started on Fri Apr 07, 2017 by CrawfishBucket (Georgetown fan)

Would Miller Have Left Dayton If They Were In The BE? – HLOH thread started on Wed Apr 12, 2017 by CrawfishBucket (Georgetown fan)

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Nothing to Wtf about. I never said all expansion threads were started by UD or VCU trolls but the last three on your list is from a UD troll posing as a Georgetown fan.

Science. You are obviously only seeing things from out in Nebraska. Things are just fine with the 10 we have. WSU is a flash in the pan that is gone once their coach is. VCU and UD are simply bleh.

[BEXU]

Maybe we can consolidate all these stupid expansion threads into one and then delete it until something ACTUALLY HAPPENS!

[JohnW22]

Maybe we can consolidate all these stupid expansion threads into one and then delete it until something ACTUALLY HAPPENS!

Yep. When those teams earn a spot in the conference they'll get one. Until then who cares about them

[BEXU]

I hear that Western Kentucky is having a wonderful recruiting year. Let's add the HILLTOPPERS! Unlike UD, they actually have PG's on their team!

[scoscox]

Will FS1 still carry PAC12 games next year in addition to B1G and BE games or is the B1G contract replacing that?

[Savannah Jay]

Nothing to Wtf about.

Science. You are obviously only seeing things from out in Nebraska. Things are just fine with the 10 we have. WSU is a flash in the pan that is gone once their coach is. VCU and UD are simply bleh.

Perhaps some folks have only been bball fans for a few years. Wichita made 1 NCAA tournament in 25 years before Marshall arrived. One. In 25 years. And they have zero academic standards. They have less chance of joining the Big East than Loras College in Dubuque, IA.