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Re: Homogeneity of Membership is not necessarily good

Postby scoscox » Sat Apr 08, 2017 6:35 pm

You need to relax. Kenpom has the be as the #2 conference next year. Talking about adding valpo or St. Louis? Why would we do that? The big east is very much okay. I don't think there are any additions that would unequivocally help the conference, but we don't need any! We are fine
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Re: Homogeneity of Membership is not necessarily good

Postby scoscox » Sat Apr 08, 2017 6:41 pm

CrawfishBucket wrote:If the old Big East taught us anything, its that a greater quantity can coexist with quality..


Except for it collapsing in spectacular fashion
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Re: Homogeneity of Membership is not necessarily good

Postby CrawfishBucket » Sat Apr 08, 2017 7:06 pm

scoscox wrote:
CrawfishBucket wrote:If the old Big East taught us anything, its that a greater quantity can coexist with quality..


Except for it collapsing in spectacular fashion


Teams were poached for football. No one is talking about adding football schools.
When the C7 took the road of bb-only, it conceded its sameness with the BCS group. No matter what has happened since then, the BE is differently aligned than the other big conferences. That decision has a lot of ramifications that haven't fully played out yet.
Imo, the conference should be striving to be more like that group in other ways, such as size and consistent bids. There just is not enough of a sample size yet to assume the bids will keep coming in large numbers, especially when other conferences are making moves.
I never argued to pick up St Loius or Valpo right now. I merely stated that our options are becoming limited - due to inaction - to what will be left, if the Big East doesn't act from positions of strength to get even stronger.

If you wait until you absolutely have to add then you will get McDonalds instead of filet mignon.

Edit: I can't grasp the argument of maintaining a footprint (in respect to Gonzaga) in the modern era. Programs take planes to games now. We can afford the extra fuel. Do you realize how long it takes to drive from providence to Omaha by car or bus?
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Re: Homogeneity of Membership is not necessarily good

Postby Dwon » Sat Apr 08, 2017 7:39 pm

In back, got bored... Alright so you guys think Gonzaga is going to risk being frowned upon by the entire westcoasst for betraying them. they are reppin for a dire west coast that need every basketball show they can get at this point.to They will be hated by the entire west coast for looking like traders if that happens.
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Re: Homogeneity of Membership is not necessarily good

Postby Hall2012 » Sat Apr 08, 2017 8:40 pm

Dwon wrote:ACC country ehh. Just like Pitt ,Syracuse and BC are BE country.

VCU has been the most consistent program over the last decade in VA although UVA has succeeded a bit more over the last 3 years.Also, VCU has also racked up wins against UVA and Vtech over the past few years proving its dominancy of the state. That's not a biased opinion, you can ask around Northern VA, Southern VA and in between. Its about a tie between UVA and VCU but I'm not about to plead my case about this anymore. It was interesting to see your views on this subject though. We're happy in the A-10 with all our Cinderella teams and what have you. Good luck to you Big easters. Peace , Adios


BE Country? Hardly. Pitt was a random Big East school in the middle of an area that's B1G Country if anything, Syracuse isn't within 4 hours of any other high major program, and the only college sport Boston care about is hockey - which the Big East doesn't sponsor. And I certainly wouldn't call any of those areas "ACC territory" now either.

If I believed that adding VCU would establish a strong Big East foothold in the Virginia and North Carolina areas that you guys claim, that could change by opinion. It's a great idea, but I just don't like the odds of success in trying to steal territory from 2 long established ACC programs in Virginia and 4 in North Carolina. Not to mention the further south you go, the more people want football. Once again, it's great in theory but I question the viability of the plan in practice. Maybe I'm overly pessimistic, I don't know.
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Re: Homogeneity of Membership is not necessarily good

Postby NJRedman » Sat Apr 08, 2017 9:19 pm

I wouldn't mind if VCU was added. I'd be okay with adding any two out of UConn, VCU, Dayton or SLU. My preference is in that order. Do it right as we begin negotiations for our new TV deal. I'd even be cool with adding all 4. If UConn isn't interested i'd be down with poaching WSU just to mess with the AAC. hahaha
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Re: Homogeneity of Membership is not necessarily good

Postby BEXU » Sun Apr 09, 2017 12:48 am

scoscox wrote:You need to relax. Kenpom has the be as the #2 conference next year. Talking about adding valpo or St. Louis? Why would we do that? The big east is very much okay. I don't think there are any additions that would unequivocally help the conference, but we don't need any! We are fine


70% of our conference just went to the Dance. A record. Why add 2 bottom feeders?
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Re: Homogeneity of Membership is not necessarily good

Postby Dwon » Sun Apr 09, 2017 11:19 am

Hall2012 wrote:
Dwon wrote:ACC country ehh. Just like Pitt ,Syracuse and BC are BE country.

VCU has been the most consistent program over the last decade in VA although UVA has succeeded a bit more over the last 3 years.Also, VCU has also racked up wins against UVA and Vtech over the past few years proving its dominancy of the state. That's not a biased opinion, you can ask around Northern VA, Southern VA and in between. Its about a tie between UVA and VCU but I'm not about to plead my case about this anymore. It was interesting to see your views on this subject though. We're happy in the A-10 with all our Cinderella teams and what have you. Good luck to you Big easters. Peace , Adios


BE Country? Hardly. Pitt was a random Big East school in the middle of an area that's B1G Country if anything, Syracuse isn't within 4 hours of any other high major program, and the only college sport Boston care about is hockey - which the Big East doesn't sponsor. And I certainly wouldn't call any of those areas "ACC territory" now either.

If I believed that adding VCU would establish a strong Big East foothold in the Virginia and North Carolina areas that you guys claim, that could change by opinion. It's a great idea, but I just don't like the odds of success in trying to steal territory from 2 long established ACC programs in Virginia and 4 in North Carolina. Not to mention the further south you go, the more people want football. Once again, it's great in theory but I question the viability of the plan in practice. Maybe I'm overly pessimistic, I don't know.


One day, you will understand everything. Just know that Gods power is far superior than mans power. If the conference does add VCU just know that It was God working through man because he has the power to work through his children(the ones who call on to him as his shepherd).Now being that these are all catholic schools/religious school and they all get to vote on who gets in. I like my chances and can bet VCU being accepted to the Big East than say any other league for basketball only membership. The Catholics don't have football because they believe its against their beliefs right? Well Virginia's slogan is "Virginia is for lovers. Is that the sign you could be looking for.LOL Guess were gonna have to wait till the day something is announced...

P.S.-I don't think anyone at VCU minds taking on the villain role of the league.. Your afraid of the havoc, as you should be but all we want to do here is watch really good basketball.
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Re: Homogeneity of Membership is not necessarily good

Postby GoldenWarrior11 » Sun Apr 09, 2017 1:30 pm

Dwon wrote:
One day, you will understand everything. Just know that Gods power is far superior than mans power. If the conference does add VCU just know that It was God working through man because he has the power to work through his children(the ones who call on to him as his shepherd).Now being that these are all catholic schools/religious school and they all get to vote on who gets in. Being the case, the probability of VCU being accepted is much greater than lets say a sec or big 12. The Catholics don't have football because they believe its against their beliefs right? Well Virginia's slogan is Virginia is for lovers. Could that not be any better. Could it be an early indicator of the goodness,don't know. Guess well have to wait to see what the BE president declares publicly in the near future...

P.S.-I don't think anyone at VCU minds taking on the villain role of the league. Your afraid of the havoc, as you should but all we want to do here is watch really good basketball.


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You cannot argue with ignorance. Thankfully, the laundry list of reasons as to why VCU will never be in the Big East more than compensates for it. The only havoc being caused is the idiocy for why VCU isn't in the Big East.
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Re: Homogeneity of Membership is not necessarily good

Postby Dwon » Sun Apr 09, 2017 2:06 pm

This is definitely Havoc being caused.The idea of conversating about a hot topic that's on a lot of our minds is not idiocy but a mere sharing of ideas between intellectuals..lol

UPDATE:
I just got off the phone with VAl Ackerman and she just she told me VCU is entering immediately for the 17/18 season!
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