NCAA: Seton Hall v Arkansas - Fri 1:30pm 3/17/17

[ecasadoSBU]

I wouldn't call it choke. Both PC and Seton Hall were seeded 9 and 11 respectively for a reason...

However, I had hopes of a few "upsets"... Oh well

Hoping Creighton plays like a six seed... and hopeful Marquette can pull an upset

[billyjack]

Damn. That is 2 choke jobs by the Big East so far.

Dude, kind of a dick post to put up right now. What's your definition of choke? Lose a close game? Lose a lead cuz the team is exhausted? Lose a lead cuz the refs blow?

My bad. Just frustrating to see both PC and Seton Hall play so well only to lose it in the final minutes.

No worries brother

[Drive By Hog]

Arkansas just steals things from New Jersey

http://crystalbridges.org/frank-lloyd-wright/

Northwest Arkansas is one of the top places (economic or quality of life) to live at in the country.

Also, no toll roads

[Hall2012]

I'm also seeing that, based on the current wording of the rule, a push in the back is only a flagrant 1 if the intention is to prevent a score. Rodriguez' intention was obviously to stop the clock, not prevent a score. It seems like that wording is actually intended to prevent these situations from being called as flagrants. So unless there's more to the rule that wasn't shown, the call was wrong even by the book.

[Hall2012]

I'm also seeing that, based on the current wording of the rule, a push in the back is only a flagrant 1 if the intention is to prevent a score. Rodriguez' intention was obviously to stop the clock, not prevent a score. It seems like that wording is actually intended to prevent these situations from being called as flagrants. So unless there's more to the rule that wasn't shown, the call was wrong even by the book.

Apparently an NCAA official said after the game "we don't know what his intent was." Well if you're that F'n ignorant, you shouldn't be allowed with 2,000 miles of a basketball court...

[billyjack]

The trip/dive had absolutely nothing to do with it. The head of the officials said that even if he hadn't fallen, it should have been called a F1.

And like I said- if they don't call it, you don't see them reffing any games going forward. You might not like the rules, but if the refs don't call it by those rules, they won't ref any longer.

Based on Hall2012's information above, you need to get back here and admit that you were wrong.

[stever20]

here's the rule:
The official NCAA rulebook (page 47) says:

"… A flagrant 1 personal foul is a personal foul that is deemed excessive in nature and/or unnecessary, but is not based solely on the severity of the act. Examples include, but are not limited to: 1. Causing excessive contact with an opponent; 2. Contact that is not a legitimate attempt to play the ball or play; 3. Pushing or holding a player from behind to prevent a score …"

As you see, point #2 is where this was flagrant.

[Hall2012]

The trip/dive had absolutely nothing to do with it. The head of the officials said that even if he hadn't fallen, it should have been called a F1.

And like I said- if they don't call it, you don't see them reffing any games going forward. You might not like the rules, but if the refs don't call it by those rules, they won't ref any longer.

Based on Hall2012's information above, you need to get back here and admit that you were wrong.

Don't take what I said as gospel. Just repeating the definition of the rule that was on screen. There could be more that wasn't shown - but that definition was far from satisfying.

[Hall2012]

here's the rule:
The official NCAA rulebook (page 47) says:

"… A flagrant 1 personal foul is a personal foul that is deemed excessive in nature and/or unnecessary, but is not based solely on the severity of the act. Examples include, but are not limited to: 1. Causing excessive contact with an opponent; 2. Contact that is not a legitimate attempt to play the ball or play; 3. Pushing or holding a player from behind to prevent a score …"

As you see, point #2 is where this was flagrant.

So you agree that the foul at the end of Vanderbilt-Northwestern should have been called flagrant 1?

[billyjack]

here's the rule:
The official NCAA rulebook (page 47) says:

"… A flagrant 1 personal foul is a personal foul that is deemed excessive in nature and/or unnecessary, but is not based solely on the severity of the act. Examples include, but are not limited to: 1. Causing excessive contact with an opponent; 2. Contact that is not a legitimate attempt to play the ball or play; 3. Pushing or holding a player from behind to prevent a score …"

As you see, point #2 is where this was flagrant.

Good strategy. Defend the indefensible til the very end. Never back down even if you're absolutely wrong on something. Double-down. Dig that hole deeper. And always keep repeating your incorrect opinions over and over and over and over and over... eventually lies turn into truths. Unbelievable.