Non Big East Games of Interest - 2016-17

[xman]

VCU- 10-5 vs RPI top 100
Dayton 12-5 vs RPI top 100

compare to Illinois St- who is only 2-4 vs RPI top 100

Both VCU and Dayton will easily make the tourney.

Why are you comparing them to another team with a terrible resume? I believe none of the three are deserving.

Here are Dayton's big wins are their RPI:

Alabama 84

New Mexico 87

Winthrop 68

East Tennessee State 57

Vanderbilt and 43

[billyjack]

Wtf, did the XL Center take down the Hartford Whalers banners? Blaine Stoughton? Mike Liut? 1986 Adams Division champs? By the way, ECU tied SMU at 77 with a minute left, but SMU got a tip-in plus a couple of stops.

In the A-10, the Dayton loss is key cuz now a bid will get stolen unless VCU wins the tourney.

[Westbrook#36]

I smell some bid thievery coming on from the A-10, glad it's a bid not being stolen from the BE(knock on wood).

[stever20]

in a lot of ways, it's a bad result for the Big east with Dayton losing. The teams most likely to move up would move up into that 9 line now are from the Big East.

m

Nothing wrong with the 9-line.

historically you are dead wrong.....

1 seeds 128+128+111+89+52=508 units/128 teams=3.97 per team
2 seeds 128+120+81+60+28=417 units/128 teams=3.26 per team
3 seeds 128+107+65+31+14=345 units/128 teams=2.70 per team
4 seeds 128+102+59+20+13=322 units/128 teams=2.52 per team
5 seeds 128+82+43+8+6=267/128=2.09 per team
6 seeds 128+82+42+14+3=269/128=2.10 per team
7 seeds 128+78+23+9+2=240/128=1.88 per team
8 seeds 128+64+12+8+5=217/128=1.70 per team
9 seeds 128+64+5+2+1=200/128=1.56 per team
10 seeds 128+50+23+8+1=210/128=1.64 per team
11 seeds 128+46+19+6+3=202/128=1.58 per team
12 seeds 128+46+20+1=195/128=1.52 per team
13 seeds 128+26+6=160/128=1.25 per team
14 seeds 128+21+2=151/128=1.18 per team
15 seeds 128+8+1=137/128=1.07 per team
16 seeds 128/128=1.00 per team

So there is a pretty big drop off after top 4 protected seeds, then smaller one after 6 and then another one after 8. 10 and 11's have earned more units historically than 9's have. For trying to make sweet 16- 9 seed has been better than only the 14,15,16 seed lines. Hardly something to brag about.

Now if they reseeded after each round, you would be much better with the 9 seed. But alas, they don't reseed.

[stever20]

VCU- 10-5 vs RPI top 100
Dayton 12-5 vs RPI top 100

compare to Illinois St- who is only 2-4 vs RPI top 100

Both VCU and Dayton will easily make the tourney.

Why are you comparing them to another team with a terrible resume? I believe none of the three are deserving.

Here are Dayton's big wins are their RPI:

Alabama 84

New Mexico 87

Winthrop 68

East Tennessee State 57

Vanderbilt and 43

So who should get in that isn't? I mean, there's going to be some teams with awful resumes getting in this year. That's the thing IMO.

[billyjack]

Kentucky 71, Georgia 60.
So that should eliminate Georgia from an at-large.

[Bill Marsh]

in a lot of ways, it's a bad result for the Big east with Dayton losing. The teams most likely to move up would move up into that 9 line now are from the Big East.

m

Nothing wrong with the 9-line.

historically you are dead wrong.....

1 seeds 128+128+111+89+52=508 units/128 teams=3.97 per team
2 seeds 128+120+81+60+28=417 units/128 teams=3.26 per team
3 seeds 128+107+65+31+14=345 units/128 teams=2.70 per team
4 seeds 128+102+59+20+13=322 units/128 teams=2.52 per team
5 seeds 128+82+43+8+6=267/128=2.09 per team
6 seeds 128+82+42+14+3=269/128=2.10 per team
7 seeds 128+78+23+9+2=240/128=1.88 per team
8 seeds 128+64+12+8+5=217/128=1.70 per team
9 seeds 128+64+5+2+1=200/128=1.56 per team
10 seeds 128+50+23+8+1=210/128=1.64 per team
11 seeds 128+46+19+6+3=202/128=1.58 per team
12 seeds 128+46+20+1=195/128=1.52 per team
13 seeds 128+26+6=160/128=1.25 per team
14 seeds 128+21+2=151/128=1.18 per team
15 seeds 128+8+1=137/128=1.07 per team
16 seeds 128/128=1.00 per team

So there is a pretty big drop off after top 4 protected seeds, then smaller one after 6 and then another one after 8. 10 and 11's have earned more units historically than 9's have. For trying to make sweet 16- 9 seed has been better than only the 14,15,16 seed lines. Hardly something to brag about.

Now if they reseeded after each round, you would be much better with the 9 seed. But alas, they don't reseed.

I'll bet it took you a long time to type all that. Sorry to have put you to the trouble.

You can't seriously be making the argument you are by going out to the hundredths place. Please.

Your argument can only be based on the assumption that 1's are significantly better than 2's. They aren't. The differences are hair splitting and their are arguments every year that the committee got them wrong. That's how close they are. It takes a miracle for either a 9 to beat a 1 after beating an 8 OR for a 10 to beat a 2 after beating a 7. If a team is fortunate enough to do either, then we're talking about the 9 getting a 4 or 5 rather than a likely 3. That's where the advantage of the 9 comes into play. The 10 is likely facing the 2 and the 3 rather than the 1 and the 4/5.

[Xudash]

Frankly, VCU has an even worse resume. Their best when is Dayton. Other than that only Princeton and middle Tennessee State resonate as even borderline meaningful wins. But they have a loss at Fordham RPI 215. Neither of these teams should be in the NCAA tournament.

And VCU's resume includes - I believe I'm recalling this correctly - two last second controversial wins, right?

Can we also slow down with the idea of adding UD to the Big East now. I know they underachieved for years while in the A10. They still seem to be fully capable of doing that even with Xavier, Temple and Butler gone from the A10.

And aren't they a senior laden team this year? I believe they have a senior-heavy roster this year, as I recall them thinking they had a solid chance against us last year with an experienced team in Orlando when we blew them off the floor. Yet, this is what you get from them, and in a seriously diluted A10 Conference.

I assumed they would win the A10 Tournament this year. Frankly, there is no excuse for them not winning it.

The A10 is a hot mess right now.

[stever20]

The 10 is likely facing a 2, but then the 3 seeds have made it to the sweet 16 only 6 more times (65-59) than the 4 seed has. The 5 seeds have made the sweet 16 only once more than the 6 seed(43-42). So 3+6= 65+42=107 times. 4+5= 59+43=102 times. So, no, a 10 isn't guaranteed by any stretch to see a 2 and 3 while a 9 is guaranteed to see a 1 and 4.

And I'll go off of history. There's been 4 times the number of 10 seeds in the elite 8 than 9 seeds. 3 times the 11 seeds as the 9 seeds.

And more important. 10 seeds have gone to the sweet 16 6 more times than the 8 and 9 seeds COMBINED. Heck, 12 seeds have gone to the sweet 16 3 more times than the 8 and 9 seeds combined. So it's great you get a slightly easier matchup in the sweet 16. The problem is the 1 seed is guaranteed to be in the way (a statement that you can not make about the 2 seeds).

And yes, 1's are historically that much better than 2's even....
1's have made 8 more round of 32's, 30 more sweet 16's, 29 more elite 8's, and 24 more final 4's. In 32 years. Those are some pretty big advantages. 1 seeds average getting to the elite 8 every single year.

Also there's some bizarre math quite frankly.....
2 vs 7 is 54-21 a .720 pct. 21-54 for 7's- .280 pct
2 vs 10 is 27-18 a .600 pct. 18-27 for 10's- .400 pct

1 vs 8 is 52-12 a .813 pct 12-52 for 8's- .187 pct
1 vs 9 is 59-5 a .922 pct 5-59 for 9's- .078 pct

I don't think I have any idea why 10's are 12% better vs 2's than 7's are- while 9's are 11% worse vs 1's than 8's are. That just makes no sense at all.

[kayako]

I assumed they would win the A10 Tournament this year. Frankly, there is no excuse for them not winning it.

Gonna give them a break this year with the dead basketball player and all. I just find mid-major fanbases in general annoying when it comes to the selection process. The A10 has always been shit.