(3) Wed. Big East Games 2/1/17

[DudeAnon]

Haven't watched 2nd half yet, but i saw this on an X forum.



Me thinks X will be fine at PG : )

[DudeAnon]

What is the RPI cut-off line for getting an at-large for the Big East so far? I'd imagine at least 50 maybe even close to 60.

[stever20]

What is the RPI cut-off line for getting an at-large for the Big East so far? I'd imagine at least 50 maybe even close to 60.

I'd guess Butler last year, when they were #56.

biggest snub so far- St John's 2014 #65

[Bill Marsh]

Also, I don't understand why Marquette's OOC SOS is soooo bad. Are their buy games just THAT bad?

They played Michigan, Pitt and Vandy all neutral, Wisconsin at home and at Georgia. I know all of those teams except Wisconsin are having down years but a couple are still bubble teams and 4/5 were away or neutral.

Just looking 6 games at RPI of 230 or worse for Marquette out of 12 games..... Wisconsin at #19, and then 4 teams in that 48-64 range. and 1 team Fresno at #105.

I think part of the problem for Marquette is those 4 mid range teams- have poor records. Vandy 11-11, Michigan 14-8, Pitt 12-10, and Georgia at 12-9.

KenPom ranks Marquette's OOC SOS at #37. Mike Greenfield at Team Rankings ranks it #41. But this discussion is based on a ranking at #230? Garbage in. Garbage out.

[stever20]

Also, I don't understand why Marquette's OOC SOS is soooo bad. Are their buy games just THAT bad?

They played Michigan, Pitt and Vandy all neutral, Wisconsin at home and at Georgia. I know all of those teams except Wisconsin are having down years but a couple are still bubble teams and 4/5 were away or neutral.

Just looking 6 games at RPI of 230 or worse for Marquette out of 12 games..... Wisconsin at #19, and then 4 teams in that 48-64 range. and 1 team Fresno at #105.

I think part of the problem for Marquette is those 4 mid range teams- have poor records. Vandy 11-11, Michigan 14-8, Pitt 12-10, and Georgia at 12-9.

KenPom ranks Marquette's OOC SOS at #37. Mike Greenfield at Team Rankings ranks it #41. But this discussion is based on a ranking at #230? Garbage in. Garbage out.

Ken Pom's Marquette OOC SOS is at 251. I have no clue at all where you get #37 for OOC SOS.

Frankly the Team Rankings one is the garbage.

[Hall2012]

What is the RPI cut-off line for getting an at-large for the Big East so far? I'd imagine at least 50 maybe even close to 60.

This link should help provide a good idea:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25505343/bracketolgy-ncaa-tournament-rpi-numbers-to-know-through-the-years

Essentially:
To be a lock: Top 40
To have decent odds: Top 50
To have an outside chance: Top 70 (though no love for the 50s range)

Obviously there are a lot more factors that go into it, but that's a general idea of where teams stand strictly based on RPI.

[Bill Marsh]

What is the RPI cut-off line for getting an at-large for the Big East so far? I'd imagine at least 50 maybe even close to 60.

RPI Forecast projects 19 conferences with teams with an RPI in the top 54. After those 19 automatic bids, you have to go up to #55 to get the 36 at-large teams.

There are all kinds of caveats that go along with that. Here are a couple of obvious ones.

1. Every conference leader upset by a team outside the top 55 converts one of those current conference leaders from an automatic bid to an at-large bid, thereby lowering the number from 55.

2. RPI Forecast is only projecting through the end of the season because conference tournament matchups are unknown at this time. Once those conference tournaments are played, teams from weaker conferences will drop in the RPI rankings beacause they will be playing lower rated teams in their conference tournaments. Conversely, teams from tougher leagues will improve their RPI because they are playing higher rated teams.

3. The outcomes of the unknown conference tournament matchups will change each team's final RPI from the projections just based on the fact that even a projection of these results is not currently factored in.

Right now only 4 Big East teams are in the top 55 - Villanova, Butler, Xavier, and Creighton - all in the top 20. Barring a total collapse, these 4 will be in the tournament. There are 3 Big East teams in the first 10 outside the top 55 - Georgetown, Marquette, and Seton Hall. A strong showing in the conference tournament by any one of these 3 will bump them into the top 55.

[REDMEN1415]

I have 2 thoughts on last night



1. Great win for SJU. Looked good for FORTY minutes tonight.. PROGRESS


2. those xavier uniforms were beautiful

The defense stepped up, Marq can't handle defensive pressure.
Yakwe from last year finally showed up 14pnts 6 boards
Ahmed had his best game playing under control getting 23pnts
Love Owens hustle out there, he gives us energy,

Good all around effort by these kids.

[Bill Marsh]

Just looking 6 games at RPI of 230 or worse for Marquette out of 12 games..... Wisconsin at #19, and then 4 teams in that 48-64 range. and 1 team Fresno at #105.

I think part of the problem for Marquette is those 4 mid range teams- have poor records. Vandy 11-11, Michigan 14-8, Pitt 12-10, and Georgia at 12-9.

KenPom ranks Marquette's OOC SOS at #37. Mike Greenfield at Team Rankings ranks it #41. But this discussion is based on a ranking at #230? Garbage in. Garbage out.

Ken Pom's Marquette OOC SOS is at 251. I have no clue at all where you get #37 for OOC SOS.

Frankly the Team Rankings one is the garbage.

Thanks for the correction. I misread KenPom. 37 is his overall ranking for Marquette.

The fact that Greenfield has Marquette at 41 doesn't mean it's garbage. It means he's calculating it differently. I don't know his basis for that, so I can't call it garbage. I do know the basis for RPI calculations, so I feel safe in calling them garbage.

[stever20]

well, the number the committee is seeing is 270, so that's really end of the day all that matters for this year.