(4) Tuesday Big East Games 11/29/16

[SJHooper]

Stop taking everything literally. My point is that the New York fanbase at large demands winning and fast. We are not as patient as some small town program. That was my point. If you think I was comparing SJ to the Jets/Giants or suggesting I want a billboard in Queens you are crazy. NJRedman calling a psychologist "bipolar" is rich. Maybe if you stopped being so cranky and actually had legitimate rebukes to my points I would take you more seriously. The fact is Mullin is not the answer and you can see all the red flags already. The past 3 epic losses would be bad losses for Siena let alone a Big East team.

[SJHooper]

Also, being a pessimist is when you are negative even in winning situations. It's being consistently negative whether we are undefeated or haven't won a game yet. What you have however, is called blind optimism. It's when you are optimistic even in situations that don't warrant it logically. SJ could never win another game for the next decade and you would find a reason to be optimistic. Just wait, they're young!

[Bill Marsh]

Stop taking everything literally. My point is that the New York fanbase at large demands winning and fast. We are not as patient as some small town program. That was my point. If you think I was comparing SJ to the Jets/Giants or suggesting I want a billboard in Queens you are crazy. NJRedman calling a psychologist "bipolar" is rich. Maybe if you stopped being so cranky and actually had legitimate rebukes to my points I would take you more seriously. The fact is Mullin is not the answer and you can see all the red flags already. The past 3 epic losses would be bad losses for Siena let alone a Big East team.

What makes you think that NYC is any more demanding of a winner than a small town? uNC had Doherty out of there in a year. Meanwhile the Yankees are going on 10 years with Girardi despite the fact that he has won only 1 title and. The team is in decline.

Regardless, St John's does not equal NYC. It's it's own small community within NYC. You're completely ignoring the dynamics of that community and Mullin's place in it. Furthermore, you seem to think that your own narrow view of Mullin's coaching is shared within the wider community.

The fact is that no coach gets fired in year. Two of a rebuilding project unless they get everyone to hate them the way that Doherty did at UNC and Gordy Chiesa did back in the day at PC. St John's knew what it was getting into with Mullin. They stuck with Roberts for 6 years. They made the decision to go with Mullin. over a rising mid major coach like Massielo a year and a half ago. They're not changing now based on the oddball assessment of a few fans. Mullin has enormous backing within the SJU community.

[XUFan09]

Stop taking everything literally. My point is that the New York fanbase at large demands winning and fast. We are not as patient as some small town program. That was my point. If you think I was comparing SJ to the Jets/Giants or suggesting I want a billboard in Queens you are crazy. NJRedman calling a psychologist "bipolar" is rich. Maybe if you stopped being so cranky and actually had legitimate rebukes to my points I would take you more seriously. The fact is Mullin is not the answer and you can see all the red flags already. The past 3 epic losses would be bad losses for Siena let alone a Big East team.

I could have sworn Steve Lavin was coach at SJU for five years with zero tournament wins, but I guess I remember that wrong. /sarcasm

Your bravado about the "New York way" (or whatever you want to call it) is amusing, both because it ignores facts about your own city and reveals a serious ignorance about the rest of the country.

[Hall2012]

Hooper is a permanent pessimist. No one wants to run Mullin out of town, at least not the rational fans. Though on Twitter we have one guy saying we should hire Al Skinner, that he'd be GREAT at St. John's. Ugh I hate a good portion of my fellow St. John's fans. These are the same mooks who root for the Jets and Mets. Perpetual losers who only feel good when they are complaining. No actual answers just fire everyone because SOMETHING has to be done. The Giants and Yankees fans in NYC are much more about consistency and caution. patience is the key to both organizations and those are the two that win championships. The other two aren't consistent, they fire coaches after short runs, they bend to fans irrational demands they make wild decisions that set their teams back years. Which model should SJU follow? Clearly the Giants/Yankees model of consistency and patience.

Wait, what? I don't mean to derail this thread (though it may have already gone that way) so this'll be my only post on the matter. I'll give you consistency, but patience and caution are the last 2 words I would use to describe the Yankees. Do you really think Yankees fans would happily sit (without complaining) through a 5+ year rebuild of sub-.500 ball every year with no major player acquisitions? Even if they had a guarantee of opening a championship window after those 5 years, like the one that recently opened for the Mets, I bet that answer would be a resounding no.

[Edrick]

Given the Yankees are the only above average franchise in the city, I think that's probably a misrepresentation.

[stever20]

the ONLY way that Mullin isn't coaching at St John's next year is if he gets tired of it and leaves himself. Which wouldn't be close to the top 100 of most shocking things ever.

I do think by next year though, St John's has to be at .500 at least. They have to show some progress by then I feel.

I also do feel that there are giant questions about Mullin's coaching ability. Frankly, how could there not be. He's all of 10-29 with 5 sub 100 losses, and another 4 in the 90's. His 10 wins are vs teams rated in KP 188,334,279,Chaminade,284,309,27,182,342,285. Avg rating of the 9 D1's- 248- and that's WITH Syracuse included. You take Syracuse out, and it's 275. So vs sub 90 rated teams he's all of 9-9. 1-20 vs top 90 teams. He's 5-14 in games 10 points or less. So, how couldn't there be questions in his coaching quite frankly?

[BigmanU]

Hooper is a permanent pessimist. No one wants to run Mullin out of town, at least not the rational fans. Though on Twitter we have one guy saying we should hire Al Skinner, that he'd be GREAT at St. John's. Ugh I hate a good portion of my fellow St. John's fans. These are the same mooks who root for the Jets and Mets. Perpetual losers who only feel good when they are complaining. No actual answers just fire everyone because SOMETHING has to be done. The Giants and Yankees fans in NYC are much more about consistency and caution. patience is the key to both organizations and those are the two that win championships. The other two aren't consistent, they fire coaches after short runs, they bend to fans irrational demands they make wild decisions that set their teams back years. Which model should SJU follow? Clearly the Giants/Yankees model of consistency and patience.

Wait, what? I don't mean to derail this thread (though it may have already gone that way) so this'll be my only post on the matter. I'll give you consistency, but patience and caution are the last 2 words I would use to describe the Yankees. Do you really think Yankees fans would happily sit (without complaining) through a 5+ year rebuild of sub-.500 ball every year with no major player acquisitions? Even if they had a guarantee of opening a championship window after those 5 years, like the one that recently opened for the Mets, I bet that answer would be a resounding no.

Comparing the Yankees to the Johnnies is laughable. Expectations are a little different

27 World Series championships
0 National championships

[Red Rooster]

Stop taking everything literally. My point is that the New York fanbase at large demands winning and fast. We are not as patient as some small town program. That was my point. If you think I was comparing SJ to the Jets/Giants or suggesting I want a billboard in Queens you are crazy. NJRedman calling a psychologist "bipolar" is rich. Maybe if you stopped being so cranky and actually had legitimate rebukes to my points I would take you more seriously. The fact is Mullin is not the answer and you can see all the red flags already. The past 3 epic losses would be bad losses for Siena let alone a Big East team.

I could have sworn Steve Lavin was coach at SJU for five years with zero tournament wins, but I guess I remember that wrong. /sarcasm

Your bravado about the "New York way" (or whatever you want to call it) is amusing, both because it ignores facts about your own city and reveals a serious ignorance about the rest of the country.

What makes you think that NYC is any more demanding of a winner than a small town? uNC had Doherty out of there in a year. Meanwhile the Yankees are going on 10 years with Girardi despite the fact that he has won only 1 title and. The team is in decline.

Regardless, St John's does not equal NYC. It's it's own small community within NYC. You're completely ignoring the dynamics of that community and Mullin's place in it. Furthermore, you seem to think that your own narrow view of Mullin's coaching is shared within the wider community.

The fact is that no coach gets fired in year. Two of a rebuilding project unless they get everyone to hate them the way that Doherty did at UNC and Gordy Chiesa did back in the day at PC. St John's knew what it was getting into with Mullin. They stuck with Roberts for 6 years. They made the decision to go with Mullin. over a rising mid major coach like Massielo a year and a half ago. They're not changing now based on the oddball assessment of a few fans. Mullin has enormous backing within the SJU community.

He's always all over-the-place and feels he's being targeted for no reason. He tries to make points under his numerous pseudonyms on other sites, but it still all adds up to the usual bunk (from time to time, he may have a good point).

I also cringe when I see fans thinking or believing NYC demands a winner or their fans are more sophisticated, smarter, or slicker than other fans. I've seen it posted several times over the years on Redmen. I know that's not the view with all NYC sports fans, but again I've seen it on the board a few times. I've typically ignored it, as it does reveals a level of ignorance and antiquated way of thinking.

[REDMEN1415]

Hooper is a permanent pessimist. No one wants to run Mullin out of town, at least not the rational fans. Though on Twitter we have one guy saying we should hire Al Skinner, that he'd be GREAT at St. John's. Ugh I hate a good portion of my fellow St. John's fans. These are the same mooks who root for the Jets and Mets. Perpetual losers who only feel good when they are complaining. No actual answers just fire everyone because SOMETHING has to be done. The Giants and Yankees fans in NYC are much more about consistency and caution. patience is the key to both organizations and those are the two that win championships. The other two aren't consistent, they fire coaches after short runs, they bend to fans irrational demands they make wild decisions that set their teams back years. Which model should SJU follow? Clearly the Giants/Yankees model of consistency and patience.

Wait, what? I don't mean to derail this thread (though it may have already gone that way) so this'll be my only post on the matter. I'll give you consistency, but patience and caution are the last 2 words I would use to describe the Yankees. Do you really think Yankees fans would happily sit (without complaining) through a 5+ year rebuild of sub-.500 ball every year with no major player acquisitions? Even if they had a guarantee of opening a championship window after those 5 years, like the one that recently opened for the Mets, I bet that answer would be a resounding no.

Hall, let take a look at this.
In the late 80s all George wanted to do was trade the farm for big name players, result? Yankees were garbage.
The last recent years we had some big name players, result? Didn't do anything much.

When did the Yanks start doing good? I believe it was 92 when George got suspended from baseball. Stick Michael took over. What hap;pens is he didn't trade the the farm.
First one brought up was Barnie in 92 i believe. Then Jeter, mariano, Pettitte. They filled in the holes with Wetteland, Tino, Duncan, and Brosius.
That's how you win, starts one the farm, fill in the holes with FA's

I love giving the kids a chance, lets see what they have.