What Would It Take For JT3 To NOT Be Fired This Season

[billyjack]

also, on Shaka Smart...

Texas just got smoked vs Northwestern by 19 and Colorado by 14.

Mixed bag last year, with win vs UNC, Washington and Stanford, but losses to Texas A&M, Michigan, UConn and Washington (played UW twice and split). Bounced in first round vs Northern Iowa.

Shaka recently in NCAA's:
2016 - L to Northern Iowa.
2015 - L to Ohio State in OT.
2014 - L to Stephen F Austin.
2013 - W vs Akron, L to Michigan.

So, a lot of Jekyll and Hyde with Shaka... seems like JT3 offers just as much or more.

But he made the tournament the last 4 years, doing so in 3 different conferences. Not quite the same

Right. This JT3 thread, I haven't really thought it out, but I'm thinking out loud. The Hoyas look terrible and stagnant, but it would suck to lose JT3 as a Georgetown brand, so I'm trying to convince myself he should stay... not sure it's possible without a Rube Goldberg scenario.

[stever20]

The problem with JT3 is when folks think his Georgetown, they think even in the good times of the bad losses. 5 straight times in the NCAA tourney getting knocked out by double digit seeds. Ohio U and Florida Gulf Coast(both by double digits). His brand right now is so tarnished, I don't know if there's anything he can do to salvage it.

[BEhomer]

when you miss on a big recruiting class it's going to set you back 3-4 years. Gtown class of Copeland, white, peak, campbell reminds me of Cheek, Wayns, Yarou, Armwood class of Villanova. Both very highly touted but always underachieving.

Jay Wright's offense looked stagnant with Wayns at the point. lot of one on one stuff. losing lead late in the game. (it's almost unimaginable seeing how efficient and unselfish his team plays now) It is no coincidence that Nova started their upswing when the reign was handed over to Arch. It always starts with players on the court. I need to see JTIII with another class of players. a smart true point guard like Waters is a good place to start.

[stever20]

when you miss on a big recruiting class it's going to set you back 3-4 years. Gtown class of Copeland, white, peak, campbell reminds me of Cheek, Wayns, Yarou, Armwood class of Villanova. Both very highly touted but always underachieving.

Jay Wright's offense looked stagnant with Wayns at the point. lot of one on one stuff. losing lead late in the game. (it's almost unimaginable seeing how efficient and unselfish his team plays now) It is no coincidence that Nova started their upswing when the reign was handed over to Arch. It always starts with players on the court. I need to see JTIII with another class of players. a smart true point guard like Waters is a good place to start.

The difference though is immediately before that happened for Nova they made the final 4. Immediately before the bad class for Georgetown was disappointing losses in the tourney.

Bottom line, the only reason why he'll get a chance to fix it is the last name. If he was Joe Smith, he would have been gone after 2014 quite frankly.

[NJRedman]

It's totally possible that he has become complacent. That he not really grown bored but it's possible he needs a shake up himself to regain what he used to have. Waiting for another recruiting class to come back could do serious harm to the program and brand. We're talking about a 4-6 year window if being bad on top of the last 2 bad years. Thats not good for the Hoyas or us as a league.

[Letsgonova]

Georgetown is a great job now that they finally have a practice facility. Playing games off campus at the Phone Booth isn't ideal, but it's a NBA arena, which players like. All of their games are on national TV, decent to good fan support, pays $3M per year. Whenever Thompson moves, they can get a name if they want one.

God, please don't let Jay Wright sell his soul to the Sixers.

[BEhomer]

when you miss on a big recruiting class it's going to set you back 3-4 years. Gtown class of Copeland, white, peak, campbell reminds me of Cheek, Wayns, Yarou, Armwood class of Villanova. Both very highly touted but always underachieving.

Jay Wright's offense looked stagnant with Wayns at the point. lot of one on one stuff. losing lead late in the game. (it's almost unimaginable seeing how efficient and unselfish his team plays now) It is no coincidence that Nova started their upswing when the reign was handed over to Arch. It always starts with players on the court. I need to see JTIII with another class of players. a smart true point guard like Waters is a good place to start.

The difference though is immediately before that happened for Nova they made the final 4. Immediately before the bad class for Georgetown was disappointing losses in the tourney.

Bottom line, the only reason why he'll get a chance to fix it is the last name. If he was Joe Smith, he would have been gone after 2014 quite frankly.

Disappointing but high seeds in the tourney. I think there are many teams out there that will take that every year. Once you're in the tourney it's all about matchups. Going into last season Jay Wright's team was considered disappointment in the tourney.

[stever20]

Disappointing but high seeds in the tourney. I think there are many teams out there that will take that every year. Once you're in the tourney it's all about matchups. Going into last season Jay Wright's team was considered disappointment in the tourney.

Yeah, but losses to 14 Ohio and 15 Florida Gulf Coast shouldn't have a damn thing to do with matchups. And Wright hadn't lost to a double digit seed ever at Nova. HUGE difference there between the tourney struggles. A 1 losing to a 8 or 2 to a 7 is far different than a 2 losing to a 15 or 3 to a 14.

[BEhomer]

Disappointing but high seeds in the tourney. I think there are many teams out there that will take that every year. Once you're in the tourney it's all about matchups. Going into last season Jay Wright's team was considered disappointment in the tourney.

Yeah, but losses to 14 Ohio and 15 Florida Gulf Coast shouldn't have a damn thing to do with matchups. And Wright hadn't lost to a double digit seed ever at Nova. HUGE difference there between the tourney struggles. A 1 losing to a 8 or 2 to a 7 is far different than a 2 losing to a 15 or 3 to a 14.

Obviously, I'm not trying to compare JTIII to Wright. I'm pointing out some similarities, as Wright also struggled some in the tourney and as late as start of season last year, there were lot of ppl unhappy with Jay. just putting things in perspective.

and no. Wright's team didn't lose to the likes of arkansas state at home (as far as I can remember) even when they struggled. so I can't defend JTIII for that.

[billyjack]

Villanova in 2013 had that 20 point home loss to Columbia following a 13-19 season. In Jan 2013 they lost at PC which put them at 10-7, then got 2 consecutive home wins vs #5 Louisville and #3 Syracuse to save their season. This was Arch's freshman year. Definite grumblings about Wright. He botched a late VU comeback the next month by taking off press at home to PC, allowing Cotton to hold for a game-winning last shot.