Top 50 Big East Players: #30-21

[JohnW22]

Is Myles Davis going to be on this list?

[TAMU Eagle]

Is Myles Davis going to be on this list?

He was considered despite the indefinite suspension.

[TAMU Eagle]

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/

Last pick in the first round is still first round.

Pryor will be the leader of the team, and since I expect the Hoyas to be top 4 in the conference I expect him and peak to be on the top 2 teams.

I stand corrected on Govan. I did not see that mock draft. Still, 1 mock draft that has him as the last pick in the first round hardly makes him first round talent. Especially, when the 5 other mock drafts I looked at don't even list him. And again, the NBA draft is based on potential, not on current skill.

By your logic on Pryor being 2nd Team All Big East, than the top two players from the top 4 Big East teams will be on the All Big East teams, taking up 8 of 10 spots. That would only leave 2 all big east selections from the bottom 6 teams. Pryor is a talent but he he was high usage, low efficiency player on sub 300 KenPom team last season. I think he's one of the better players in the conference and I think he certainly has the possibility to earn all Big East, but it's far from a certainty.

I do think Peak will be All Big East though. He has a good shot at first team even.

[TAMU Eagle]

All are disrespected in the rating

44. Billy Garrett Jr. of DePaul
46. Marcus LoVett Jr. of St. John’s
37. Eric Paschall of Villanova
33. Haanif Cheatham of Marquette
31. Jalen Brunson of Villanova

For the record , I think some of the Georgetown players are rated to high

what has Govan (30) done to justify the rating?
why is Mulmore (28) so high?

I'd be happy to give you our thought process for each.

Billy Garrett Jr: As said in other posts, we were shocked when we ran the numbers and found out how low he was. Than we actually looked at this stats. He's an inefficient scorer, he doesn't rebound, his assist to turnover ratio is average at best, he doesn't create turnovers, he can't shoot the three. I challenge you to find a statistical reason why BGJ deserves a higher spot. His one positive stat was FTR, but even that dropped from elite levels his sophomore year to just good by his junior year. As the Depual fan in this thread said earlier, BGJ is consistently overrated because he is the best player on a bad team. It makes him seem better than he is. Very good freshman season but he never took the next step.

Marcus LoVett: He hasn't played a game yet. By all accounts, he's very good but he was a fringe top 100 recruit who redshirtted due to academics. Without any on the court experience to judge him by, we went by his rankings out of high school. He could certainly end up being better than his ranking but we have nothing to base that on.

Eric Paschall: High usage, low efficiency player from a bad Fordham team. He also has a shot selection problem. Shot a lot of threes and mid range jumpers despite not being accurate. He was also a poor defender. He has many great talents as well, for this response, I'm just listing what held him back.

Haanif Cheatham: As a Marquette fan, I watched a lot of Haanif. He will be an All Big East caliber player by the time he is a senior. He has a deadly first step and good finishing ability. He is very predictable on offense, he has almost no confidence when driving to his right and he doesn't have a pull up jumper. His moves at this point are to drive to the left all the way to the hoop, or catch and shoot a three. He also had a terrible handle last season, 2.7 turnovers per game.

Jalen Brunson: To be honest, I agree he's too low. When you have multiple people doing research on 50 players and trying to organize them, some can get lost in the shuffle. I think that was Brunson for us. What helped him back originally was that his raw numbers weren't great. Very efficient, but as the fifth starter he didn't put up as many points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, etc that other players did. I don't think we properly weighed in the opportunity cost that Brunson faced with being on a team with so many talented players.

Jessie Govan: He had very good per 40 numbers. With more minutes he could be a monster in the post. Plus he's 6"10 and shot 50% from three, that is a dangerous weapon. I do find it funny that one Georgetown fan says he's too high and the other say he's too low. So inbetween the two must be the right spot, eh?

Jonathan Mulmore: As mentioned in the article, Mulmore was player we had the hardest time placing. He had eye popping numbers at Allegheny. He was 0.1 ppg away from leading the NJCAA in scoring. His usage was absurdly high, but despite that, he still had good efficiency. High efficiency + high usuage usually = superstar player. But how that translates into the Big East was an extremely tough question. We think Mulmore will be a pleasant surprise for Georgetown fans. Could absolutely be wrong.

[BigmanU]

All are disrespected in the rating

44. Billy Garrett Jr. of DePaul
46. Marcus LoVett Jr. of St. John’s
37. Eric Paschall of Villanova
33. Haanif Cheatham of Marquette
31. Jalen Brunson of Villanova

For the record , I think some of the Georgetown players are rated to high

what has Govan (30) done to justify the rating?
why is Mulmore (28) so high?

I'd be happy to give you our thought process for each.

Billy Garrett Jr: As said in other posts, we were shocked when we ran the numbers and found out how low he was. Than we actually looked at this stats. He's an inefficient scorer, he doesn't rebound, his assist to turnover ratio is average at best, he doesn't create turnovers, he can't shoot the three. I challenge you to find a statistical reason why BGJ deserves a higher spot. His one positive stat was FTR, but even that dropped from elite levels his sophomore year to just good by his junior year. As the Depual fan in this thread said earlier, BGJ is consistently overrated because he is the best player on a bad team. It makes him seem better than he is. Very good freshman season but he never took the next step.

Marcus LoVett: He hasn't played a game yet. By all accounts, he's very good but he was a fringe top 100 recruit who redshirtted due to academics. Without any on the court experience to judge him by, we went by his rankings out of high school. He could certainly end up being better than his ranking but we have nothing to base that on.

Eric Paschall: High usage, low efficiency player from a bad Fordham team. He also has a shot selection problem. Shot a lot of threes and mid range jumpers despite not being accurate. He was also a poor defender. He has many great talents as well, for this response, I'm just listing what held him back.

Haanif Cheatham: As a Marquette fan, I watched a lot of Haanif. He will be an All Big East caliber player by the time he is a senior. He has a deadly first step and good finishing ability. He is very predictable on offense, he has almost no confidence when driving to his right and he doesn't have a pull up jumper. His moves at this point are to drive to the left all the way to the hoop, or catch and shoot a three. He also had a terrible handle last season, 2.7 turnovers per game.

Jalen Brunson: To be honest, I agree he's too low. When you have multiple people doing research on 50 players and trying to organize them, some can get lost in the shuffle. I think that was Brunson for us. What helped him back originally was that his raw numbers weren't great. Very efficient, but as the fifth starter he didn't put up as many points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, etc that other players did. I don't think we properly weighed in the opportunity cost that Brunson faced with being on a team with so many talented players.

Jessie Govan: He had very good per 40 numbers. With more minutes he could be a monster in the post. Plus he's 6"10 and shot 50% from three, that is a dangerous weapon. I do find it funny that one Georgetown fan says he's too high and the other say he's too low. So inbetween the two must be the right spot, eh?

Jonathan Mulmore: As mentioned in the article, Mulmore was player we had the hardest time placing. He had eye popping numbers at Allegheny. He was 0.1 ppg away from leading the NJCAA in scoring. His usage was absurdly high, but despite that, he still had good efficiency. High efficiency + high usuage usually = superstar player. But how that translates into the Big East was an extremely tough question. We think Mulmore will be a pleasant surprise for Georgetown fans. Could absolutely be wrong.

Because I publically stated I thought the list was trash, I'll publically state maybe I was a little harsh on my delivery. I still totally disagree with placement of the players mentioned but, I have to give you credit for the time & research you put in. I will wait to see the rest of the list and probably disagree but I see you did your research.

When all said & done I'm going to figure out the average player placement for each team.

[REDMEN1415]

I thought the premise of this ranking was that each player in the ranking would be considered starting 5 on their respective teams. I don't see Darien Williams starting over Yakwe and Sima. I'm going to guess that Owens will see more time than Darien.

and is Gaston an automatic nod over Omara?

Mulmore and Pryor in the backcourt but then where does Peak and Campbell belong? With Brad Hayes back is Govan a guarantee to start?

"I'm going to guess that Owens will see more time than Darien."
As will Fruedenberg

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basket ... ven-102716