20 conference games

[stever20]

I think it's pretty comical that you would use worst case scenario in describing a scenario that would force the Big East to go to 20 conference games and thus expanding. I'm sorry- but that's just not a worst case scenario at all- and to a lot of folks, it's not a bad scenario period.

[NJRedman]

stever do you think the big east is like three kids stacked up on top of each other inside a trench coat, trying to pass as a grown man, and all it will take to crumble the façade is one tiny shove? so what, val ackerman says, "welp, we're done boys. all the real power conferences went to 20 conference games, likely in an effort to show the basketball world how pathetic this little thought experiment of ours truly was. Its over, pack it in, get the fridges in the break room cleared out by tomorrow evening". do you live in some sort of risk-analysis nightmare world where you go about your day constantly thinking about worst case scenarios you could potentially be confronted with? Even if the % chance of the scenario occurring is so low that thinking about it is a waste of your mental capacities?

just wondering.

Remember years ago conferences only played 16 conference games. Big East didn't start to play 18 games until the 2007-08 season. Things evolve.

I'm sorry, but if all the P5 conferences go to 20 games, that's going to impact the entire landscape of college basketball. Those conferences are still going to play the good OOC games along with exempt tournaments. So their SOS will improve quite a bit- along with the chances to get more good conference wins. And remember one of the main criteria on selection is OVERALL SOS.

Lets say this. It's FAR more likely that all P5 goes to 20 conference games than it is that the ACC is the lone wolf. I just think you(and others) are kidding yourselves if you really think that this has a very low% chance of occurring.

I think there's 2 questions....
1- Will all the other P5 go to 20 games.
2- if 1 happens, will the big east expand to keep up.

The answer to #2 IMO is pretty much 100% yes.. If all the P5 go to 20, the Big East will have no choice but to expand to keep up. To some, it may be unfortunate but it is what it is.
The entire question then becomes #1. Will all the P5 go to 20? I think it's at least 50/50.

And the thing is, the Big East wouldn't be looked at as doing it in a position of weakness. If anything, NOT doing anything would be looked as being in a position of weakness.

And I think it's absolutely comical that you think this is a worst case scenario. It actually would help the conference out IMO. 10 teams it gets too easy to have a year like 3 years ago with only 4 teams. Even last year- look at where Butler and PC were- #33 and #34. Only 9 teams behind them- in a year where 2 teams would have made the tourney were it not for probation. So really only 7 teams behind them in a normal year. That's 1 or 2 games for one of them to miss the tourney.

This is the part where Stever starts taking hypotheticals and spinning them into certainties. This is stage two of the Stever argument. The ACC is doing this one thing in three years that no one else has talked about doing yet and now it's more than likely everyone else is going to do this one thing and if WE don't do this one thing we are DOOOOOOOOOMED!!!

[GumbyDamnit!]

Stever this is a silly argument. You think that everything happens in a bubble. If every FB5 conference goes to 20 there are still plenty of non-conference opportunities for everyone. Programs adjust schedules yearly. So using your logic, Syracuse still plays in the excempt preseason tourneys, but need to drop 2 non-conf games to accommodate the new ACC schedule. Maybe they drop Nova and Uconn (two have-not programs apparently), and add a 2nd game with BC and another with say NC St. Explain your argument again how that only helps Syr SOS again? Also coaches know that they can't just play a murderous schedule all the time. When the BE was at it's prime I recall both Jay W and J Boeheim talk about a lighter OOC schedule as they knew the BE would be a grind. Coaches schedule to fit their philosophy. So that could affect the FB5 SOS as well. It's a little more fluid than you think.

Secondly, we are also already a big boy in terms of KPI and strength of schedule. As long as we continue to play other excellent programs in our excellent conference our KPI, like the ACC's or B10, etc. will be just fine.

I don't think a change to 20 will affect anything--or not nearly as much as chicken little thinks.

[hortle]

stever I dont have a horse in this race. I am just asking you why you think this is such a big deal. All your posts in this thread reek of a "we have to bend to the ACC's will now and always because they have espn the one and dones the best coaches the biggest media markets the most lucrative sponsorships the most famous NBA alums etc" stench. Okay, we get it, the ACC is the God-Conference of College Basketball, is that the admission you desire?

I don't give a shit about the ACC or what they do. That's what the commish is for.

[stever20]

Stever this is a silly argument. You think that everything happens in a bubble. If every FB5 conference goes to 20 there are still plenty of non-conference opportunities for everyone. Programs adjust schedules yearly. So using your logic, Syracuse still plays in the excempt preseason tourneys, but need to drop 2 non-conf games to accommodate the new ACC schedule. Maybe they drop Nova and Uconn (two have-not programs apparently), and add a 2nd game with BC and another with say NC St. Explain your argument again how that only helps Syr SOS again? Also coaches know that they can't just play a murderous schedule all the time. When the BE was at it's prime I recall both Jay W and J Boeheim talk about a lighter OOC schedule as they knew the BE would be a grind. Coaches schedule to fit their philosophy. So that could affect the FB5 SOS as well. It's a little more fluid than you think.

Secondly, we are also already a big boy in terms of KPI and strength of schedule. As long as we continue to play other excellent programs in our excellent conference our KPI, like the ACC's or B10, etc. will be just fine.

I don't think a change to 20 will affect anything--or not nearly as much as chicken little thinks.

I think you are pretty crazy if you think Syracuse would drop the games with Nova and UConn. No, the games that are going to be dropped would be more likely to be the dreg OOC games. Folks just don't want to see the dreg games like Montana St at Syracuse...

I just think if all 5 P5 conferences have gone to 20 than the Big East absolutely will have to think long and hard about going to 20 themselves. I mean 10 years ago the Big East was one of only 2 Power conferences with 18 conference games. The other conferences were forced to move up. Same thing will happen going to 20.

[DudeAnon]

I think you are pretty crazy if you think Syracuse would drop the games with Nova and UConn. No, the games that are going to be dropped would be more likely to be the dreg OOC games. Folks just don't want to see the dreg games like Montana St at Syracuse...

I just think if all 5 P5 conferences have gone to 20 than the Big East absolutely will have to think long and hard about going to 20 themselves. I mean 10 years ago the Big East was one of only 2 Power conferences with 18 conference games. The other conferences were forced to move up. Same thing will happen going to 20.

I disagree with you about Cuse dropping buy games over UCONN and NOVA. Buy games pay the bills, especially when you have the attendance capacity of Syracuse. Going to 20 conference games mean they will be losing a home game and they will have to add another buy game to make up that revenue.

[GumbyDamnit!]

I think you are pretty crazy if you think Syracuse would drop the games with Nova and UConn. No, the games that are going to be dropped would be more likely to be the dreg OOC games. Folks just don't want to see the dreg games like Montana St at Syracuse...

I just think if all 5 P5 conferences have gone to 20 than the Big East absolutely will have to think long and hard about going to 20 themselves. I mean 10 years ago the Big East was one of only 2 Power conferences with 18 conference games. The other conferences were forced to move up. Same thing will happen going to 20.

And you know this how? Go back a decade and look who Mr Boeheim likes to schedule in Nov and Dec. All cupcakes; all home. Recently he started playing home and homes with BE rivals for recruiting and nostalgia reasons. But all coaches want cupcakes so they can extend their bench and see what they have and make easy $ with home games. This is not new to college BB. The entire foundation of your argument is on very shaky ground Stever.

[GumbyDamnit!]

Also why force 20 when it is just as easy for Nova and Gtown to play UCONN and Wich St in H&H's, Creighton and DePaul to call St Marys and Gonzaga or Marq and X to call UNLV and Dayton. There are games that could be added that would improve SOS, not hurt it. It's just a matter of creating the kind of schedule you want. Also if the BE keeps progressing then in conference will be even more of a grind. If there are 10-14 games vs the RPI top 50 then who cares about 2 other games OOC.

[XtoDC]

I don't understand a lot of the logic in this thread. No one was going to play 20 conference games a week ago. Now one conference plans on doing it in the future because ESPN made them so everyone will and if the Big East doesn't they are small time?

I guess I don't really think it is a big deal either way. Like others have said, improving the computer numbers certainly isn't a guarantee since conferences have to play .500 basketball against themselves and now conference play is an even bigger portion of their schedule.

[ivet]

Why stop at 20? Let's one-up everyone and do best of 3! Whats that...27 games a season minus the BE tourney? Let's be the trend setter right stever?