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Re: Way too early Palm forecast

Postby milksteak » Tue Jul 12, 2016 7:14 am

DudeAnon wrote:I think Creighton will be good but let's calm down a bit. Xavier was a 2 seed and is returning 4 of 5 starters. Creighton is adding good pieces but they lost Groselle and didn't even make the tournament.


Yup. Creighton's front court is definitely suspect, and that keeps them out of the top two for me.
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Postby Jet915 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:18 am

milksteak wrote:
DudeAnon wrote:I think Creighton will be good but let's calm down a bit. Xavier was a 2 seed and is returning 4 of 5 starters. Creighton is adding good pieces but they lost Groselle and didn't even make the tournament.


Yup. Creighton's front court is definitely suspect, and that keeps them out of the top two for me.


I agree, our frontcourt is our biggest question mark. It will hinge on how well redshirt freshman Justin Patton plays. He's grown to 7'1 and is up to 240 lbs now. If he can hold his own along with Hanson who is serviceable but foul prone, we will be ok.
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Re: Way too early Palm forecast

Postby whiteandblue77 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:10 am

milksteak wrote:Yup. Creighton's front court is definitely suspect, and that keeps them out of the top two for me.

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Re: Way too early Palm forecast

Postby cu blujs » Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:14 am

Creighton may have lost Groeselle, but X lost Reynolds, Able and Farr. They lost much more than Creighton. I have not been impressed by O'Mara, although I realize he will probably be more productive with more playing time. IMO, X has as much doubt in the interior as we do, as they may also rely heavily on new players there. I recognize that they have Sumner, Macura, Blueitt and the old man all back, but CU smoked them in Omaha and lost by 5 at X with Mo missing a wheel. Its not unheard of for teams to go from out of the tournament to a high seed. Maybe CU does and maybe it all falls apart, but with the exception of Doug's senior year, I am as optimistic as I have been entering a season since probably Korver's senior season. If Hanson, Patton, Hegner, and Krampelj can defend the interior and rebound, this could be a really, really good team. IMO, CU should be right there in the end with as a good a chance as anyone to challenge for a top 2 finish. (Note, not putting them above Nova, so at least I am not completely overboard here).
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Re: Way too early Palm forecast

Postby jfan » Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:43 am

I'm as optimistic as any Creighton fan about next year, (Not Gtmo, of course) but I still think we are a step below Nova and X. We did lose 15 games last year and we have to prove that all the new pieces can jell. That being said, I think we have more actual talent that could get us further in the Tournament than ever before. Doug's teams struggled to match up with teams with talented interior players. If they had a bad shooting night, it was over. This team will be much more balanced. I would like to get the League to a point where we have 4-6 teams rated ever week. Nova and X are already there. We need for a few other teams to step up and I hope Creighton can be one of them! Nice picture of Patton. He has a chance to be a beast. Hopefully, this year!
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Re: Way too early Palm forecast

Postby milksteak » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:01 am

whiteandblue77 wrote:
milksteak wrote:Yup. Creighton's front court is definitely suspect, and that keeps them out of the top two for me.

This guy wants to swat your grotesque avatar and uneducated remarks off this board.
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It's a testament to this league more than sh*tting on Creighton. I still think you guys will be really good.
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Re: Way too early Palm forecast

Postby DudeAnon » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:11 am

cu blujs wrote:Creighton may have lost Groeselle, but X lost Reynolds, Able and Farr. They lost much more than Creighton. I have not been impressed by O'Mara, although I realize he will probably be more productive with more playing time. IMO, X has as much doubt in the interior as we do, as they may also rely heavily on new players there. I recognize that they have Sumner, Macura, Blueitt and the old man all back, but CU smoked them in Omaha and lost by 5 at X with Mo missing a wheel. Its not unheard of for teams to go from out of the tournament to a high seed. Maybe CU does and maybe it all falls apart, but with the exception of Doug's senior year, I am as optimistic as I have been entering a season since probably Korver's senior season. If Hanson, Patton, Hegner, and Krampelj can defend the interior and rebound, this could be a really, really good team. IMO, CU should be right there in the end with as a good a chance as anyone to challenge for a top 2 finish. (Note, not putting them above Nova, so at least I am not completely overboard here).


You seem to be giving Creighton every benefit of the doubt and Xavier none. This Xavier team has already proven they can be a top 10 team. This Creighton team has proven they can make the NIT. That is a large gap.
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Re: Way too early Palm forecast

Postby gtmoBlue » Tue Jul 12, 2016 2:49 pm

Ah yes... Midsummer - hot, muggy, no breezes, no ice for the lemonade/beer. ...and so it begins.

All is well in the BEast and sweaty homer fans begin musing on the upcoming season: "you're giving so & so all the benefit of the doubt and none for such & so." "I'll put my dinars on so & so who made the dance last season over such & so who didn't." :D The beginnings of a good to great season for our league. Ah yes... contention, competition, avarice, and with a little luck some downright hate. Gotta luv it. ;)

It's a new day and a new season. While past performance speaks a tremendous amount about one's ability and likelihood for success; past performance in itself is not a guarantee of future results. Everyone lost significant players and production... everyone has the task of molding a new team of returning and new players. All of our BE teams have much work to do. Last year will not win this year, by default - they've gotta play the games. And while the Love is strong amongst all of the brethren, some of you have had your "Day in the Sun", reached your apex and are due for a dropoff/decline. Others G'twn, StJ, SH, Creighton are primed to move up the ladder - hopefully at the expense of the Providences', Butlers' Xaviers', and of course...Villanova.
Ah the cycle of life...hakuna matata (no worries) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB5ceAruYrI

X will still be a very good team, perhaps not as good as last season...but nonetheless very good. It's shaping up to be one helluva battle in conference play - as it should be. This is the Big East!

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Re: Way too early Palm forecast

Postby milksteak » Tue Jul 12, 2016 3:13 pm

gtmoBlue wrote:Ah yes... Midsummer - hot, muggy, no breezes, no ice for the lemonade/beer. ...and so it begins.

All is well in the BEast and sweaty homer fans begin musing on the upcoming season: "you're giving so & so all the benefit of the doubt and none for such & so." "I'll put my dinars on so & so who made the dance last season over such & so who didn't." :D The beginnings of a good to great season for our league. Ah yes... contention, competition, avarice, and with a little luck some downright hate. Gotta luv it. ;)

It's a new day and a new season. While past performance speaks a tremendous amount about one's ability and likelihood for success; past performance in itself is not a guarantee of future results. Everyone lost significant players and production... everyone has the task of molding a new team of returning and new players. All of our BE teams have much work to do. Last year will not win this year, by default - they've gotta play the games. And while the Love is strong amongst all of the brethren, some of you have had your "Day in the Sun", reached your apex and are due for a dropoff/decline. Others G'twn, StJ, SH, Creighton are primed to move up the ladder - hopefully at the expense of the Providences', Butlers' Xaviers', and of course...Villanova.
Ah the cycle of life...hakuna matata (no worries) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB5ceAruYrI

X will still be a very good team, perhaps not as good as last season...but nonetheless very good. It's shaping up to be one helluva battle in conference play - as it should be. This is the Big East!

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Re: Way too early Palm forecast

Postby Hall2012 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:13 pm

DudeAnon wrote:I think Creighton will be good but let's calm down a bit. Xavier was a 2 seed and is returning 4 of 5 starters. Creighton is adding good pieces but they lost Groselle and didn't even make the tournament.


I'm with you- Creighton's certainly going to be a good team and likely NCAA tournament contender but I think they're a bit overhyped right now. All this talk about them being able to supplant Xavier in the top 2 of the Big East, but I'm not even convinced they'll overtake Seton Hall for 3rd- which seems to be a forgone conclusion for many here.
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