Interesting Big12 idea

[hortle]

Oklahoma is nationally relevant every single year in football. And I think Lon Kruger is on his way to moving the basketball program to a higher plateau of prestige as well.. Big Ten or SEC seem the most likely to take them. Ok State is much more of a mixed bag.

[gtmoBlue]

Todaysu article...Big12
http://www.todaysu.com/big-12-today/fri ... -meetings/

Good article. Potentially a lot of money on the table. Doubt the Big12 runs away/refuses to add
more dollars to their coffers.

PS: ESPN has called the LHN a failure and is on record that the LHN is a money losing venture. The
WWL is looking to convert the LHN into the Big12 Network in order to salvage their investment.
(links to this and other articles can be found in the conf. realignment thread.)

[DudeAnon]

They have decided not to close LHN or create a conference network. Expansion decisions happening at earliest the end of the summer.

[SCS]

The Big XII made 30.4 million in tier 1/tier 2 rights, more than the PAC and the ACC without even including their Tier three rights. Tier three rights are worth at the lowest (I-State) at least 3 million a year up to Texas at 12.4 this year. I think the conference is more stable with that kind of money than some here might think.

[Xudash]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/big-12-ended-bad-week-with-another-dumb-decision-205348463.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory&soc_trk=tw

[Bill Marsh]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/big-12-ended-bad-week-with-another-dumb-decision-205348463.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory&soc_trk=tw

Thanks for the link. Much appreciated.

[Xudash]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/big-12-ended-bad-week-with-another-dumb-decision-205348463.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory&soc_trk=tw

Thanks for the link. Much appreciated.

My pleasure.

This is like free entertainment, and though much of it is cringe-worthy, at least it's not morbid like a train derailment.

In an effort to be as objective about all this as possible, I cannot see any scenario from here on in where the Big XII expands by 2 or by 4; I see them staying locked in at 10 until the existing media agreements expire.

Expansion has now unofficially stalled. They now know they can't get to a network deal. That appears to primarily be the kiss of death for UCONN. They otherwise generally can't get enough juice into a revised media deal through expansion to make it worth while to the existing 10 conference members. What makes that so ugly is the fact that that isn't all the fault of the expansion candidates. In other words, once you take Texas and Oklahoma out of the equation, you are dealing with what, in essence, are some schools masquerading as Power 5 schools: Kansas in football - please; Baylor - historically not good, only recently relevant through corruption, and now about to be virtually SMU'd; TCU - another recent phenomenon, but smallish school; Iowa State - talk about flyoverville.

They'll put their championship game in place and goose-up their payouts from that, while gambling on increasing their position strength for the college football playoff from doing that. They'll probably go to two 5-team divisions to pull that off. They otherwise enjoyed a solid payday per school this past year, though they're markedly behind and will always be behind the B1G and the SEC when it comes to payouts, and probably about everything else that matters.

Not even Gordon Gecko himself could extract more cash out of the Big XII cow from here.

And how are things on the other side of this tragic play? I think someone needs to write a case study on all this from the vantage point of UCONN and UC, in particular. UCONN used a lot of state money to build-up. UC primarily drove down the road with private donations to put lipstick on the Nippert pig, and now they're sinking money into the 5/3 Center (I guess).

IF it is the case that expansion has stalled now for what may be about a decade, the separation between the Power 5 and everyone else is going to become more pronounced. If anyone wants to be fully truthful about it, there is substantial separation within the Power 5. Iowa State, Washington State, Indiana, South Carolina and others are in no way well positioned to run with the likes of Ohio State, Alabama, Michigan, Texas, etc. in the long run.

[GoldenWarrior11]

Realignment is tabled for the next 5-10 years - until the GOR of the major conferences near their end. For everyone other than Oklahoma in the Big 12, it's a win. They maintain the status quo; they continue receiving high payouts, maintain their status as a power conference, and get to amend the conference structure to have a conference championship game. Oklahoma wants long-term stability; the other schools want to keep getting what their getting, and worry about the consequences later.

The biggest loser? UConn by a mile. They anticipated being in the American for only a brief amount of time; they saw Louisville and Rutgers leave after only a season, and figured their time was soon as well. Now? They are stuck with East Carolina, Tulane Tulsa, UCF, USF, Memphis, Temple, Houston and SMU for the foreseeable future. The Big East war chest they got from the separation will dry up very soon. They will be over $100 million behind in revenue from Rutgers, Maryland and Penn State in a decade. They will also be considerably behind Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Louisville and West Virginia. The American won't be able to renegotiate with ESPN on a new deal for another 2-3 years - so they will continue to make $2-3 million per year from their TV deal. The gap between them and the power schools just became an abyss.

It's unbelievable how far UConn has fallen in just a few short years.

[Xudash]

Realignment is tabled for the next 5-10 years - until the GOR of the major conferences near their end. For everyone other than Oklahoma in the Big 12, it's a win. They maintain the status quo; they continue receiving high payouts, maintain their status as a power conference, and get to amend the conference structure to have a conference championship game. Oklahoma wants long-term stability; the other schools want to keep getting what their getting, and worry about the consequences later.

The biggest loser? UConn by a mile. They anticipated being in the American for only a brief amount of time; they saw Louisville and Rutgers leave after only a season, and figured their time was soon as well. Now? They are stuck with East Carolina, Tulane Tulsa, UCF, USF, Memphis, Temple, Houston and SMU for the foreseeable future. The Big East war chest they got from the separation will dry up very soon. They will be over $100 million behind in revenue from Rutgers, Maryland and Penn State in a decade. They will also be considerably behind Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Louisville and West Virginia. The American won't be able to renegotiate with ESPN on a new deal for another 2-3 years - so they will continue to make $2-3 million per year from their TV deal. The gap between them and the power schools just became an abyss.

It's unbelievable how far UConn has fallen in just a few short years.

Agree with your every word, but, again, you can throw UC onto the Agony Bus along with UCONN.

Just brutal for those two schools.

[DudeAnon]

I still think the Big 12 will expand by 2. A championship game in a round-robin league seems dangerous for trying to get a team in the playoff. They will add BYU and Cincy (who can give a big thanks to WVU).