Interesting Big12 idea

[EMT]

http://ajerseyguy.com/?p=13476

[Jet915]

http://ajerseyguy.com/?p=13476

Why would the Big XII just take UCONNs football but not their basketball....that makes no sense.

[DudeAnon]

Yikes. That will never happen.

[Xudash]

http://ajerseyguy.com/?p=13476

Why would the Big XII just take UCONNs football but not their basketball....that makes no sense.

Actually, I"m not so sure about that. Financially, the Big XII could pay both BYU and UCONN their pro rata shares of football related money for "special membership" in the Big XII, which would allow the remaining Big XII schools to share in the respective residual shares of the new distributions for those two schools. Remember that they're solving for football, period, end of story. Also consider that the Big XII already is strong in hoops, so that isn't something they see as having to fix.

Otherwise, BYU retains its WCC membership for everything else. And UCONN steps into the Big East with an additional $4.1 million of its new BE share per year.

They truly can't get BYU into that conference for all sports, so this isn't an entirely far fetched idea, though the other P5 schools probably would look down their noses at such hybrid arrangements.

As for us, we pick up UCONN and perhaps leave it at that.

Now, getting back to reality, the Longhorns are going to substitute a Howitzer for a fly swatter when they move to kill this bug, so I doubt anything is going to happen when it comes to expansion anyway, unless UT is somehow made truly whole when it comes to their needs and demands for the Longhorn Network.

[gtmoBlue]

http://ajerseyguy.com/?p=13476

Why would the Big XII just take UCONNs football but not their basketball....that makes no sense.

Actually, I"m not so sure about that. Financially, the Big XII could pay both BYU and UCONN their pro rata shares of football related money for "special membership" in the Big XII, which would allow the remaining Big XII schools to share in the respective residual shares of the new distributions for those two schools. Remember that they're solving for football, period, end of story. Also consider that the Big XII already is strong in hoops, so that isn't something they see as having to fix.

Otherwise, BYU retains its WCC membership for everything else. And UCONN steps into the Big East with an additional $4.1 million of its new BE share per year.

They truly can't get BYU into that conference for all sports, so this isn't an entirely far fetched idea, though the other P5 schools probably would look down their noses at such hybrid arrangements.

As for us, we pick up UCONN and perhaps leave it at that.

Now, getting back to reality, the Longhorns are going to substitute a Howitzer for a fly swatter when they move to kill this bug, so I doubt anything is going to happen when it comes to expansion anyway, unless UT is somehow made truly whole when it comes to their needs and demands for the Longhorn Network.

Sooo, everybody wins! Well everybody named Big 12, BYU, and UConn.

Big 12 wins as it gets back to 12 members, and only pays out a portion of annual revenues to the new folks.
BYU seems a good candidate as the football only scenario works well for them and they get an increase in revenues.
UConn, not so much. No guarantees they could find a place to park their other sports.

A return to the Beast is not a sure thing. Even if that could be arranged, they would only be in line for a portion of the revenue stream in the BE as well. Fox's deal covers all sports, not just hoops.

I'd rather wait and see if the summer raids on the ACC occur and then prioritize potential candidates...UConn may opt to join a depleted ACC...who knows?

[DeltaV]

Sooo, everybody wins! Well everybody named Big 12, BYU, and UConn.

Big 12 wins as it gets back to 12 members, and only pays out a portion of annual revenues to the new folks.
BYU seems a good candidate as the football only scenario works well for them and they get an increase in revenues.
UConn, not so much. No guarantees they could find a place to park their other sports.

A return to the Beast is not a sure thing. Even if that could be arranged, they would only be in line for a portion of the revenue stream in the BE as well. Fox's deal covers all sports, not just hoops.

I'd rather wait and see if the summer raids on the ACC occur and then prioritize potential candidates...UConn may opt to join a depleted ACC...who knows?

All sports...sponsored by the Big East? Because the Big East doesn't sponsor football. If UConn were to join for all Big East-sponsored sports, would there be a problem with Fox? I'm guessing no, given the name recognition of the 2014 NCAA Champion?

Of course, this turns in to the same 100+ page discussion we've had two or three years now. Do we want a public school in our private enclave? Do we make an exception for UConn, especially if they're likely to make a jump to the Big12 as soon as they want a full 12 again?

[ohiohsbball]

The BIG 12 would be absolutely stupid to take a team for football only; once another power conference comes calling, they would have all sports in that conference. I still think when this is all said and done, which maybe another 5-7 years you will see 4 conferences of 16 teams. Once that happens they break away from the NCAA, which has been a topic that has been discussed on this board several times. I just don't see the BIG 12 surviving, especially if Baylor becomes the doormat they traditionally were in football before Briles arrived.

On a side note I was listening to 1530, which is a sports radio station in Cincinnati and the host is Mo Egger, who is a Dayton graduate and a huge Cincinnati fan. During his show today he had a guest on covering the BIG 12 meetings in Texas. He reported that Texas is absolutely dead set against expansion because it would likely blow up the Longhorn Network. Texas makes an absolute killing on that network, likely more than they would make on a BIG 12 network that is rumored if expansion occurs. He also mentioned that many presidents in the conference are hoping for a PAC 12 or BIG invite because they are upset with Texas driving the bus for the whole conference.

In my opinion, just another reason why the Longhorn Network may be the demise of the BIG 12, and maybe Texas. If the BIG 12 does collapse, which I think eventually happens, no way would the other conferences allow Texas to have their own network especially when the PAC 12, BIG, and SEC all of their own.

[GoldenWarrior11]

The Big 12 is officially the old Big East.

Texas is Notre Dame - a school and athletic program that view themselves as superior to each member of the conference, expecting exceptions and personalized attention that fit their needs and desires - at expense of the league and member schools. Notre Dame has/had the NBC TV deal; Texas has the Longhorn Network. Both refuse to give it up, and both expect their TV deal income to supersede their conference revenue.

Oklahoma is Syracuse - a school with one foot out the door and simply waiting for the opportunity/invitation to bolt. They realize that the conference is a sinking ship, and that their future is in another conference. Like Syracuse, Oklahoma is sentimentally tied to regional rivals in the conference; however, money talks, and it is only a matter of time before the school decides to leave.

West Virginia/Kansas/Oklahoma State are Pittsburgh/Rutgers/Louisville - West Virginia is Pittsburgh, a school that brings a well-rounded athletic program that can be paired with another Big 12 school into a power conference. Kansas is Rutgers, a school that bring a historically atrocious football program, but, unlike Rutgers, brings a blue-blood basketball program and AAU credentials. OK State, who is repeatedly rumored to be paired with Oklahoma, bring a solid football/basketball combination - but is not Oklahoma (which is a national brand). All schools, alone, don't bring much to the table, but both can be paired with Oklahoma to form a strong grouping.

Baylor/TCU are the Catholic 7 (apologies for the poor comparison due to recent scandals) - they are both local and religious-based schools that do not bring large enrollment universities. Baylor is currently radioactive due to the said scandal, and TCU is not a game changer that any power conference would add without.

Iowa State/Kansas State/Texas Tech are UConn/Cincinnati/USF - schools that realize the writing on the wall, a message that reveals the end is near. When the round of musical chairs is over, they will be without a seat. They do not bring the necessary components to be a part of the autonomous five. They have lived off the success of other athletic programs, namely football, and cannot bring the type of revenue and/or exposure desired by power conferences.

The other way that the Big 12 is currently like the Big East is that, by appearances sake, the conferences both agree (whether today or in 2010) that expansion is necessary, but both leagues couldn't agree on who to expand with. The Old Big East went back-and-forth for years about potential expansion. The football-schools wanted East Carolina and UCF, whereas the basketball schools hated that due to their weak programs. The basketball programs wanted Memphis, who was terrible in football. There was no agreement, and due to their indecisiveness, the league collapsed on itself.

The Big 12 began living on borrowed time in 2011 (after losing Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, and Texas A&M). Losing Texas A&M was like the Big East losing Miami - the signal of the beginning of the end.

The parallels are uncanny. Those doomed to learn from history are most certain to repeat it.

[DeltaV]

The Big12 is unstable...but are any of the programs desirable? A lot of the assumption in expansion by the BIG and SEC is that they want to get into the Virginia and North Carolina...not flyover country. The old Big East was vulnerable because it had teams in desirable locations; Syracuse, Rutgers, hell, even Pitt. Earlier iteration got raided for BC and Miami; major population centers with good academics and athletics.

Texas is a pain in the ass. Oklahoma might be tied to OK State, and, well, does anyone really care about Oklahoma (or Kansas)? And, as mentioned before...the rest of the schools are basically the AAC with a better publicist.

[FenwayFriar]

The Big 12 is officially the old Big East.

Texas is Notre Dame - a school and athletic program that view themselves as superior to each member of the conference, expecting exceptions and personalized attention that fit their needs and desires - at expense of the league and member schools. Notre Dame has/had the NBC TV deal; Texas has the Longhorn Network. Both refuse to give it up, and both expect their TV deal income to supersede their conference revenue.

Oklahoma is Syracuse - a school with one foot out the door and simply waiting for the opportunity/invitation to bolt. They realize that the conference is a sinking ship, and that their future is in another conference. Like Syracuse, Oklahoma is sentimentally tied to regional rivals in the conference; however, money talks, and it is only a matter of time before the school decides to leave.

West Virginia/Kansas/Oklahoma State are Pittsburgh/Rutgers/Louisville - West Virginia is Pittsburgh, a school that brings a well-rounded athletic program that can be paired with another Big 12 school into a power conference. Kansas is Rutgers, a school that bring a historically atrocious football program, but, unlike Rutgers, brings a blue-blood basketball program and AAU credentials. OK State, who is repeatedly rumored to be paired with Oklahoma, bring a solid football/basketball combination - but is not Oklahoma (which is a national brand). All schools, alone, don't bring much to the table, but both can be paired with Oklahoma to form a strong grouping.

Baylor/TCU are the Catholic 7 (apologies for the poor comparison due to recent scandals) - they are both local and religious-based schools that do not bring large enrollment universities. Baylor is currently radioactive due to the said scandal, and TCU is not a game changer that any power conference would add without.

Iowa State/Kansas State/Texas Tech are UConn/Cincinnati/USF - schools that realize the writing on the wall, a message that reveals the end is near. When the round of musical chairs is over, they will be without a seat. They do not bring the necessary components to be a part of the autonomous five. They have lived off the success of other athletic programs, namely football, and cannot bring the type of revenue and/or exposure desired by power conferences.

The other way that the Big 12 is currently like the Big East is that, by appearances sake, the conferences both agree (whether today or in 2010) that expansion is necessary, but both leagues couldn't agree on who to expand with. The Old Big East went back-and-forth for years about potential expansion. The football-schools wanted East Carolina and UCF, whereas the basketball schools hated that due to their weak programs. The basketball programs wanted Memphis, who was terrible in football. There was no agreement, and due to their indecisiveness, the league collapsed on itself.

The Big 12 began living on borrowed time in 2011 (after losing Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, and Texas A&M). Losing Texas A&M was like the Big East losing Miami - the signal of the beginning of the end.

The parallels are uncanny. Those doomed to learn from history are most certain to repeat it.

I don't know, West Virginia doesn't remind me of Pitt, they remind me more of West Virginia