_lh wrote:Bill Marsh wrote:_lh wrote:
I agree that the Big XII's fate is tied to Texas but where is Oklahoma out the door to exactly?
No idea.
But the OU pres David Boren has made it clear that he is totally dissatisfied with the way things are being run in the Big XII. That has led to a lot of expansion talk, but OU insiders seem to think that the,even of dissatisfaction is so deep that it is only a matter of time before the Sooners bolt.
Could OU stay? I think that it would take a lot of concessions from Texas and a rethinking of how things are done in the conference as well as expansion with the right candidates. The LHN seems to be a failure so far,so perhaps this could happen.
Knowing how slowly this kind of change happens and how entrenched the self-serving people at Texas are, I'm expecting that the Sooners are as good as gone - especially when I read reports like the rumor in this thread, which suggests some major realignment may come sooner than we expected.
Although there have been rumors of OU to the B1G, I think the more likely landing spot is the SEC with the PAC-12 also a possibility. Pairing them with Kansas could be the outcome unless Texas jumps on board and is willing to make concessions.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/johnklein/john-klein-no-news-is-actually-good-news-for-big/article_4425c70a-7c17-5697-9435-4579f37051fe.html
I think OU wants to stay in the B12 but obviously wants 12 teams. No one can agree on what two to ask and if the two they really want would even accept.
_lh wrote:As the article suggests, the problem with B12 expansion is that there are not really any good viable expansion candidates. Certainly not that enough current members can agree on. Oklahoma wants 12 teams but adding two AAC teams to get there seems to be a non starter for Texas and many others. The questions then becomes, why expand at all at this time. They got a team in the football playoff with 10 teams. They can have a conference title game with 10 teams and basketball is thriving at 10.
I understand that some will say you expand to ensure your conference survives if current members leave for another conference. Outside of OU and Texas, I don't see any current members as prime targets for the SEC, B10 or PAC. Having 12 teams is not going to save the B12 if either Texas or OU leaves.
Boren may be coming around to being patient on expansion as their current options aren't great. Both OU and Texas will be fine if the B12 is blown up.
_lh wrote:But do they have better options? Do they have an invite from the SEC or Big 10? Can they just up and leave long time rivals behind? Can they go any where without OSU?
gtmoBlue wrote:Sorry to intrude on your (private) conversation ih and Bill, but Oklahoma and the fellas in the Big 12 will wait n watch. Seems only a very few care what transpires in the corn n wheat belt. After the lions feed (B1G and SEC) on the ACC, the Big 12 will feast on the leftovers. If they don't want to be patient, they can take some AAC teams. Neither the B1G nor the SEC want another B12 team...not when better strategic additions ly in the ACC. ESPN is talking in terms of converting the failed LHN into a Big12 Network. That should enable that network to move out of the red and into the black.
Ho hum...
Bill Marsh wrote:gtmoBlue wrote:Sorry to intrude on your (private) conversation ih and Bill, but Oklahoma and the fellas in the Big 12 will wait n watch. Seems only a very few care what transpires in the corn n wheat belt. After the lions feed (B1G and SEC) on the ACC, the Big 12 will feast on the leftovers. If they don't want to be patient, they can take some AAC teams. Neither the B1G nor the SEC want another B12 team...not when better strategic additions ly in the ACC. ESPN is talking in terms of converting the failed LHN into a Big12 Network. That should enable that network to move out of the red and into the black.
Ho hum...
Not Texas? Not Oklahoma?
ACC schools will pay $60 million exit fees to leave the ACC for the unstable Big XII?
DeltaV wrote:Wasn't there some version of that in the old Big East bylaws that the Catholic 7 thought they could possibly use so that we wouldn't have to pay exit fees to what is now the AAC?
_lh wrote:But do they have better options? Do they have an invite from the SEC or Big 10? Can they just up and leave long time rivals behind? Can they go any where without OSU?
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