The Big East's Evolving Rep

[BEX]

X is all about Dance success. That being said, I will definitely remember this year for a long time. #1 We finally beat 'Nova. #2 We went undefeated in the OOC. X is all about steady progress. We did it in the MCC, the A-10 and now, hopefully, in the BE. We've made our mark steadily over many years, and hoped to "jump the shark" this year. We are really close. Progress. The #'s will get there.

[NovaBall]

Of course making the national championship is more important than anything regular season.

But you think anybody will remember notre dame's elite 8 run or Miami's sweet 16 run this yr any moreso than gonzaga's elite 8 run last yr or whatever yr buzz williams made the swet 16 with marquette? No. I don't.

Xavier's year this year means more than a trip to the second weekend. They got a ton of huge press and exposure and increased their program credibility and prestige far more than had they won an additional game in the dance.

Regular season success is very important.

[Xudash]

To me the tourney is what casual fans remember FAR FAR FAR more than the regular season. Folks will be talking Nova's year 50 years from now. They won't be talking Xavier's year 2 years from now. And that's only because of the tournament.

Hardcore fans sure- they might remember the regular season more. But there are far more casual fans than there are hard core fans.

You might not like it, you might not agree with it, but that is reality.

You're totally wrong.

The topic and point of the thread is about the Big East's evolving rep, with Nova's achievement contributing a key piece, BUT A PIECE of the overall pie.

Nova makes it to Houston with brand perception that equates to a big-time program, not a mid-major overachieving its way to the Final Four. Perception. Perception is the topic. Perception of the conference is the topic, and now Nova has delivered the piece we've all agreed we've been missing. Nonetheless, it is a piece of what is a pie that is made up of tournament success, number of teams ranked during the year, etc.

The regular season and the rankings and all that CONTRIBUTED to the seeding that helped to lead to Monday night.

You might not like it, but your opinion is your opinion only.

[jfan]

Totally agree. The perception of the league will not be based just on Nova's great run, but also success in the regular season and overall tournament success. Having 3 teams at or near the top ten for a while certainly helps with the national perception of the league!! A number of the football 5 leagues didn't make the FF, but they have good history to help with perception even in a bad tournament year.

[NovaBall]

Exactly xudash

This is just a piece of the puzzle. A big piece, but still just a peice. Establishing regular season credibility is another big piece. Establishing regular season credibility is what separates us from the colonial when they sent two teams or the wichita state run to the final four. Regular season credibility is where we earn the distinction of being a power conference, and sending teams to the final four is how we back it up

Stever will never understand. Its a shame.

[BEhomer]

it's laughable to think that this tourney run from nova came without regular season success.

It's about getting better thru the grind of regular season battles. I believe all the tough BE matchups made nova into who they are as well as heartbreaking losses from previous tourneys. this is actually a culmination of 3 years of excellence and success.

so yes. tourney accomplishment is important but it doesn't come without sustained excellence.

[stever20]

To me the tourney is what casual fans remember FAR FAR FAR more than the regular season. Folks will be talking Nova's year 50 years from now. They won't be talking Xavier's year 2 years from now. And that's only because of the tournament.

Hardcore fans sure- they might remember the regular season more. But there are far more casual fans than there are hard core fans.

You might not like it, you might not agree with it, but that is reality.

You're totally wrong.

The topic and point of the thread is about the Big East's evolving rep, with Nova's achievement contributing a key piece, BUT A PIECE of the overall pie.

Nova makes it to Houston with brand perception that equates to a big-time program, not a mid-major overachieving its way to the Final Four. Perception. Perception is the topic. Perception of the conference is the topic, and now Nova has delivered the piece we've all agreed we've been missing. Nonetheless, it is a piece of what is a pie that is made up of tournament success, number of teams ranked during the year, etc.

The regular season and the rankings and all that CONTRIBUTED to the seeding that helped to lead to Monday night.

You might not like it, but your opinion is your opinion only.

The problem is to a lot of folks- regular season is great, but post season is what is remembered. Like it or not, Syracuse will be remembered by more people for this season than Xavier.

The thing is I think it's like a meal.....
I think a lot of folks here think the regular season is the entrée and the tournament is the dessert.
I think(and I think a lot of media folks and all the casual fans) think that the regular season is just the appetizer and the tournament is the entrée.

[ChelseaFriar]

I think the Elite 8 and Sweet 16 runs definitely can help with recruiting, even if general people don't remember them in a few years.

I'm sure recruits want a chance to play in March, so hearing from schools they see playing in the second weekend has to be nice.

[DudeAnon]

To me the tourney is what casual fans remember FAR FAR FAR more than the regular season. Folks will be talking Nova's year 50 years from now. They won't be talking Xavier's year 2 years from now. And that's only because of the tournament.

Hardcore fans sure- they might remember the regular season more. But there are far more casual fans than there are hard core fans.

You might not like it, you might not agree with it, but that is reality.

You're totally wrong.

The topic and point of the thread is about the Big East's evolving rep, with Nova's achievement contributing a key piece, BUT A PIECE of the overall pie.

Nova makes it to Houston with brand perception that equates to a big-time program, not a mid-major overachieving its way to the Final Four. Perception. Perception is the topic. Perception of the conference is the topic, and now Nova has delivered the piece we've all agreed we've been missing. Nonetheless, it is a piece of what is a pie that is made up of tournament success, number of teams ranked during the year, etc.

The regular season and the rankings and all that CONTRIBUTED to the seeding that helped to lead to Monday night.

You might not like it, but your opinion is your opinion only.

The problem is to a lot of folks- regular season is great, but post season is what is remembered. Like it or not, Syracuse will be remembered by more people for this season than Xavier.

The thing is I think it's like a meal.....
I think a lot of folks here think the regular season is the entrée and the tournament is the dessert.
I think(and I think a lot of media folks and all the casual fans) think that the regular season is just the appetizer and the tournament is the entrée.

So what did Georgetown have for a meal this season? Regurgitated taco bell?

[Edrick]

Everyone understands that the NCAA is an imperfect platform to determine who are the best teams, frankly it's among the worst formats that could be chosen. Who wins a tournament rarely tells you who the best team is, only who won that tournament.

Single-elimination is fun and introduces intrigue but luck is such a big part of the equation, it would just be ignorance to draw any conclusions on two years of that randomness. (Or even three)

Over the long term, a conference that is around 3rd best in the country is going to net long term results of the 3rd best conferences.

The fact that some of general public is ignorant to sample bias is really neither nor there. You can't fix stupid

If Villanova wins the national title tonight, it doesn't 'validate' anything. (Christ, it's the same sample bias) Elite conferences win titles. The Big East, having never finished outside of the Top 5, is an elite conference. It will win titles.