(Current) Big East & the FF

[Westbrook#36]

do you really think the media gives a rip about Georgetown in 2007 any more? You can act like 10 years ago is meaningful, but to the media, it's really not. The Big East HAS struggled in the tourney before this year. You can act like it's a continuation of the 2007-11 run- but the media sure as hell doesn't see it like that-

And I wasn't the one who made the comment. Jeff Goodman did. I'm sorry but I totally get where he's coming from. The first 2 years, the NBE didn't do anything in the tourney. You can not like it or not- but that is reality. Do you really think the NBE had been taken seriously before this year? When had 4 sweet 16 seeds and only got 1 sweet 16 team(who wasn't a top 4 seed even).

A lot of folks here play the victim role so much..... If anyone says anything bad about the Big East, it's a hack job or they're a douche bag. Give me a flipping break. In a way it's made their comments now sweeter to me because the Big East went out and earned the respect. Not handed anything.

Damn, don't you just hate it when things like pesky little FACTS get in the way of clueless media narrative? Yes or no, the BE has more F4's than every other conference not named the ACC(with major help from former BE teams), B1G, and SEC(mostly Kentucky) in the last 10 tourneys?

[stever20]

10 years yes but the fact is do you really think the media looks at things in the last 10 tourneys? That's my point with the media, there is very much a recency bias. And I would say especially with regards to realignment.... That's why Nova going this year was/is so critical. 2 things. 1- it ends the narrative with the Big East(especially if someone can follow it up next year with another)- and 2- it puts the bulls eye clearly on the Pac 12(they don't have any FF team since 2008).

And I know I've seen a lot of stuff with folks talking about the Pac 12 in the media.

[GumbyDamnit!]

do you really think the media gives a rip about Georgetown in 2007 any more? You can act like 10 years ago is meaningful, but to the media, it's really not. The Big East HAS struggled in the tourney before this year. You can act like it's a continuation of the 2007-11 run- but the media sure as hell doesn't see it like that-

And I wasn't the one who made the comment. Jeff Goodman did. I'm sorry but I totally get where he's coming from. The first 2 years, the NBE didn't do anything in the tourney. You can not like it or not- but that is reality. Do you really think the NBE had been taken seriously before this year? When had 4 sweet 16 seeds and only got 1 sweet 16 team(who wasn't a top 4 seed even).

A lot of folks here play the victim role so much..... If anyone says anything bad about the Big East, it's a hack job or they're a douche bag. Give me a flipping break. In a way it's made their comments now sweeter to me because the Big East went out and earned the respect. Not handed anything.

Here's the thing Stever...

If you play that card then the Pac-12 has exactly ZERO FF's in that span. ZERO. UCLA (2x) was 2007-2008. You have said here on multiple occasions that it is "all about March." If doing well in March means national relevancy, then you can't tell me that Butlers two FF runs have already been forgotten or that the media thinks this is Jay W's first FF. They remember 7 years ago. Butler was the embodiment of being a March Cinderella. No one forgets that.

The almighty ACC went 4 years in a row 2011-2014 without a single FF member. That is a longer stretch than his new conference has gone. Did anyone during that span ever say that the ACC was a "joke" or irrelevant. No one questioned them a single bit. So there's goes that argument. The Pac-12 have now gone 8 consecutive seasons without a single FF team. Yet the media slobbers over Sean Miller and AZ and the committee sends most of the league to the tourney. And then they do what they always do: flame out. If Nova had done what AZ did this year, or if we had gotten 7 bids and promptly crapped the bed this year, ESPN would have a two part story, with a links to their "Requiem for the Big East" 30 for 30 embedded. Kansas has been a 1, 2 & 2 seed the past 3 years and has less tourney wins than Nova. I'm not hearing the same vitriol towards Bill "2 for 8 in the E8" Self," that I did Jay. The fact is that you, like many others, swallowed the bait, hook and half the rod on this negative anti-BE narrative.

And yes, the media does give a "rip" about G'town. That's why G'town, despite their recent struggles, is viewed universally as a national brand. They've made four FF's in 30 years. That's called relevance. Everyone still refers to Indiana as a blue blood and yet they have been in less FF's over that same span (and the same # as Nova BTW). Another inconvenient truth. Also name me an ACC school not named Duke or UNC that has been relevant at all consistently?

Here's the problem. You seem to gloat in the fact about how we have not competed with the P5 and then point to data that shows UNC, Duke, UK, Kansas or Mich St. and then give every other team in those conferences a complete free pass. WE ARE NOT COMPETING WITH THOSE SCHOOLS. We are competing with AZ, and Oregon and Purdue and Texas and WVU and Ohio St. &...(name any other SEC team), etc. And to be singled out as a conference that "is not taken seriously" is an agenda-driven headline that has been hammered down everyone throats and was beginning to stick. That is why I presented the original post.

[stever20]

do you really think the media gives a rip about Georgetown in 2007 any more? You can act like 10 years ago is meaningful, but to the media, it's really not. The Big East HAS struggled in the tourney before this year. You can act like it's a continuation of the 2007-11 run- but the media sure as hell doesn't see it like that-

And I wasn't the one who made the comment. Jeff Goodman did. I'm sorry but I totally get where he's coming from. The first 2 years, the NBE didn't do anything in the tourney. You can not like it or not- but that is reality. Do you really think the NBE had been taken seriously before this year? When had 4 sweet 16 seeds and only got 1 sweet 16 team(who wasn't a top 4 seed even).

A lot of folks here play the victim role so much..... If anyone says anything bad about the Big East, it's a hack job or they're a douche bag. Give me a flipping break. In a way it's made their comments now sweeter to me because the Big East went out and earned the respect. Not handed anything.

Here's the thing Stever...

If you play that card then the Pac-12 has exactly ZERO FF's in that span. ZERO. UCLA (2x) was 2007-2008. You have said here on multiple occasions that it is "all about March." If doing well in March means national relevancy, then you can't tell me that Butlers two FF runs have already been forgotten or that the media thinks this is Jay W's first FF. They remember 7 years ago. Butler was the embodiment of being a March Cinderella. No one forgets that.

The almighty ACC went 4 years in a row 2011-2014 without a single FF member. That is a longer stretch than his new conference has gone. Did anyone during that span ever say that the ACC was a "joke" or irrelevant. No one questioned them a single bit. So there's goes that argument. The Pac-12 have now gone 8 consecutive seasons without a single FF team. Yet the media slobbers over Sean Miller and AZ and the committee sends most of the league to the tourney. And then they do what they always do: flame out. If Nova had done what AZ did this year, or if we had gotten 7 bids and promptly crapped the bed this year, ESPN would have a two part story, with a links to their "Requiem for the Big East" 30 for 30 embedded. Kansas has been a 1, 2 & 2 seed the past 3 years and has less tourney wins than Nova. I'm not hearing the same vitriol towards Bill "2 for 8 in the E*" Self," that I did Jay. The fact is that you, like many others, swallowed the bait, hook and half the rod on this negative anti-BE narrative.

And yes, the media does give a "rip" about G'town. That's why G'town, despite their recent struggles, is viewed universally as a national brand. They've made four FF's in 30 years. That's called relevance. Everyone still refers to Indiana as a blue blood and yet they have been in less FF's over that same span (and the same # as Nova BTW). Another inconvenient truth. Also name me an ACC school not named Duke or UNC that has been relevant at all consistently?

Here's the problem. You seem to gloat in the fact about how we have not competed with the P5 and then point to data that shows UNC, Duke, UK, Kansas or Mich St. and then give every other team in those conferences a complete free pass. WE ARE NOT COMPETING WITH THOSE SCHOOLS. We are competing with AZ, and Oregon and Purdue and Texas and WVU and Ohio St. &...(name any other SEC team), etc. And to be singled out as a conference that "is not taken seriously" is an agenda-driven headline that has been hammered down everyone throats and was beginning to stick. That is why I presented the original post.

The Pac 12 has been talked about quite a bit lately..... I've seen several stories about them here in the last week or so. And what you say about Arizona- Arizona was a 6 seed for gosh sakes and didn't win the conference. I've heard more about Arizona this year falling than I have Seton Hall who won the BET falling in rd 1. That's a positive....

As far as the ACC, I think part of there is the fact that Syracuse made the FF while with the BE in 2013, and Louisville in 2012 and 13- and the media knew that they were coming to the ACC. So the ACC got indirect credit for that in the media.

And you might not like it- but we do compete with UNC, Duke, UK, Kansas, Mich St. The game has gotten MUCH more conference-centric in the last 5 years- since all the realignment.

[billyjack]

A lot of folks here play the victim role so much..... If anyone says anything bad about the Big East, it's a hack job or they're a douche bag. Give me a flipping break. In a way it's made their comments now sweeter to me because the Big East went out and earned the respect. Not handed anything.

On Saturday, Villanova earned a Final Four bid, beating Kansas.

Minutes later, the immediate first reaction by ESPN was to tweet out something incorrect about Villanova being the only Big East team in 8 years to make a Final Four, with the other BE F4 teams being in the ACC. First of all, they ignored Butler's 2 Final Fours. Secondly, they (ESPN) cherry-picked the 8 year thing.

The key in all this is that the first reaction by ESPN to Villanova's F4 this year wasn't a congratulatory tweet, but instead was a dickhead blurb from a network that's filled with talentless Syracuse Communications majors that wants us dead. Rather than bending over and taking ESPN's bullsh--, we counter ESPN's lies with the truth, and you call that "playing the victim".

[stever20]

A lot of folks here play the victim role so much..... If anyone says anything bad about the Big East, it's a hack job or they're a douche bag. Give me a flipping break. In a way it's made their comments now sweeter to me because the Big East went out and earned the respect. Not handed anything.

On Saturday, Villanova earned a Final Four bid, beating Kansas.

Minutes later, the immediate first reaction by ESPN was to tweet out something incorrect about Villanova being the only Big East team in 8 years to make a Final Four, with the other BE F4 teams being in the ACC. First of all, they ignored Butler's 2 Final Fours. Secondly, they (ESPN) cherry-picked the 8 year thing.

The key in all this is that the first reaction by ESPN to Villanova's F4 this year wasn't a congratulatory tweet, but instead was a dickhead blurb from a network that's filled with talentless Syracuse Communications majors that wants us dead. Rather than bending over and taking ESPN's bullsh--, we counter ESPN's lies with the truth, and you call that "playing the victim".

Here's the tweet:
Nova is the 8th Big East team to make the Final Four in the last 8 years.
It is the only one still in the Big East.

so lets look
Villanova 2009, 16
West Virginia 2010
UConn 2009,2011
Louisville 2012,13
Syracuse 2013

so what is factually incorrect about it? The only beef I have with it is that it's either 2 of 8 teams or 1 of 5 programs. It's not 1 of 8.

Regarding Butler, Butler wasn't in the Big East when they made the final 4. I looked at the ESPN twitter and I see nothing with them talking about # of ACC teams making FF or anything like that.

[SJUBBALL]

Well said billy jack, Stever, being an alleged Georgetown fan, you think you'd be angry that they cherry picked GTowns final four appearance. Can you just finally admit you aren't a Georgetown fan lol

[Jet915]

A lot of folks here play the victim role so much..... If anyone says anything bad about the Big East, it's a hack job or they're a douche bag. Give me a flipping break. In a way it's made their comments now sweeter to me because the Big East went out and earned the respect. Not handed anything.

On Saturday, Villanova earned a Final Four bid, beating Kansas.

Minutes later, the immediate first reaction by ESPN was to tweet out something incorrect about Villanova being the only Big East team in 8 years to make a Final Four, with the other BE F4 teams being in the ACC. First of all, they ignored Butler's 2 Final Fours. Secondly, they (ESPN) cherry-picked the 8 year thing.

The key in all this is that the first reaction by ESPN to Villanova's F4 this year wasn't a congratulatory tweet, but instead was a dickhead blurb from a network that's filled with talentless Syracuse Communications majors that wants us dead. Rather than bending over and taking ESPN's bullsh--, we counter ESPN's lies with the truth, and you call that "playing the victim".

Here's the tweet:
Nova is the 8th Big East team to make the Final Four in the last 8 years.
It is the only one still in the Big East.

so lets look
Villanova 2009, 16
West Virginia 2010
UConn 2009,2011
Louisville 2012,13
Syracuse 2013

so what is factually incorrect about it? The only beef I have with it is that it's either 2 of 8 teams or 1 of 5 programs. It's not 1 of 8.

Regarding Butler, Butler wasn't in the Big East when they made the final 4. I looked at the ESPN twitter and I see nothing with them talking about # of ACC teams making FF or anything like that.

Do you really think ESPN did not without any malice. A congratulatory comment for Villanova might have sufficed, yet they add another line trying to indirectly diss the Big East. You don't think that's odd?

[whiteandblue77]

Steven just come out and show us who you really root for. Don't worry, nobody will judge. It's ok.

[billyjack]

A lot of folks here play the victim role so much..... If anyone says anything bad about the Big East, it's a hack job or they're a douche bag. Give me a flipping break. In a way it's made their comments now sweeter to me because the Big East went out and earned the respect. Not handed anything.

On Saturday, Villanova earned a Final Four bid, beating Kansas.

Minutes later, the immediate first reaction by ESPN was to tweet out something incorrect about Villanova being the only Big East team in 8 years to make a Final Four, with the other BE F4 teams being in the ACC. First of all, they ignored Butler's 2 Final Fours. Secondly, they (ESPN) cherry-picked the 8 year thing.

The key in all this is that the first reaction by ESPN to Villanova's F4 this year wasn't a congratulatory tweet, but instead was a dickhead blurb from a network that's filled with talentless Syracuse Communications majors that wants us dead. Rather than bending over and taking ESPN's bullsh--, we counter ESPN's lies with the truth, and you call that "playing the victim".

Here's the tweet:
Nova is the 8th Big East team to make the Final Four in the last 8 years.
It is the only one still in the Big East.

so lets look
Villanova 2009, 16
West Virginia 2010
UConn 2009,2011
Louisville 2012,13
Syracuse 2013

so what is factually incorrect about it? The only beef I have with it is that it's either 2 of 8 teams or 1 of 5 programs. It's not 1 of 8.

Regarding Butler, Butler wasn't in the Big East when they made the final 4. I looked at the ESPN twitter and I see nothing with them talking about # of ACC teams making FF or anything like that.

ESPN Tweets that we'll never see:

"Syracuse Final Four... first by a non-Duke-UNC school coming out of the ACC in 12 years".

or if the cheatin' Tarheels win the title next week:

"UNC championship... only 1 non-Duke-UNC team coming out of ACC has won a championship since NC State in 1983 (prior to Villanova and Hoya titles)... and that team is now in the Big Ten..."

or how about this:
"Virginia and Notre Dame were bounced in their Elite-8 games on Sunday...
"Virginia is in the midst of a 32 year Final Four drought... in this time, 70% of the current Big East has made a Final Four..."
"Notre Dame is in the midst of a 38 year Final Four drought... in this time, 80% of the current Big East has made a Final Four..."