Selection Sunday Discussion

[SJUBBALL]

Steven claimed last week he hates the P5 and wants to see conferences like the Big East and AAC prosper, but is now going to town on the A10. I don't get it

[DudeAnon]

so it sucks that St Bonnie's can't get teams to come play.. But then don't cry when your OOC SOS isn't good.

Monmouth got hammered because they lost 3 games to sub 200 teams. Wisconsin lost 1 time. Wisconsin also had 5 top 50 wins to only 1 for Monmouth.

Big 12 went 103-23 OOC (.8175) against the #3 OOC SOS.
Pac 12 went 111-33 OOC (7708) against the #1 OOC SOS.
A10 went 109-57 OOC (.6566) against the #6 OOC SOS

So tell me again how the Pac 12 gamed the RPI exactly? They played the toughest OOC SOS of any conference in the country, yet had a good record. So let's see what the A10's record would be against the #1 SOS, and then we can talk. Unfortuately the conference you could talk the most about is the Big East- they go 95-30(.7600) but only against the #17 OOC SOS this year.

Oregon St- #58 OOC SOS
USC- #86 OOC SOS
Arizona did have the #234 OOC SOS- but they did beat Gonzaga- and even Fresno was better than anyone you beat. They also went 12-6 in conference play. 13 top 100 wins.

GW yeah they beat UVA and Seton Hall. But their OOC SOS overall was 210. lost to DePaul. Also 1-5 road/neutral vs top 50 teams
Davidson. 3-9 vs top 100 teams. Vandy was 7-10 vs top 100 teams. So no, Davidson didn't do exactly what Vandy did at all....

The problem, as my friend John Calipari has pointed out, is that its a moving target. The committee will choose whichever metric to fit their viewpoint (like somehow including Tulsa). If the RPI isn't sufficient, then they need to tweak the formula and then just take it wholesale. Its too open to interpretation when u can just cherry pick the stats. If u were to take the top 45 here would anything really be objectionable? http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball ... etball-rpi
vs this
http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men ... -seed-list

[stever20]

Steven claimed last week he hates the P5 and wants to see conferences like the Big East and AAC prosper, but is now going to town on the A10. I don't get it

I don't mind the A10- but I'm sorry that St Bonnie's is a small school that can't get the games- or won't get the games. The Big East and AAC are more like the P5 than they are the A10. Big East and AAC have teams that can challenge P5 teams for the national title. The A10 I'm sorry but they just can't.

[stever20]

so it sucks that St Bonnie's can't get teams to come play.. But then don't cry when your OOC SOS isn't good.

Monmouth got hammered because they lost 3 games to sub 200 teams. Wisconsin lost 1 time. Wisconsin also had 5 top 50 wins to only 1 for Monmouth.

Big 12 went 103-23 OOC (.8175) against the #3 OOC SOS.
Pac 12 went 111-33 OOC (7708) against the #1 OOC SOS.
A10 went 109-57 OOC (.6566) against the #6 OOC SOS

So tell me again how the Pac 12 gamed the RPI exactly? They played the toughest OOC SOS of any conference in the country, yet had a good record. So let's see what the A10's record would be against the #1 SOS, and then we can talk. Unfortuately the conference you could talk the most about is the Big East- they go 95-30(.7600) but only against the #17 OOC SOS this year.

Oregon St- #58 OOC SOS
USC- #86 OOC SOS
Arizona did have the #234 OOC SOS- but they did beat Gonzaga- and even Fresno was better than anyone you beat. They also went 12-6 in conference play. 13 top 100 wins.

GW yeah they beat UVA and Seton Hall. But their OOC SOS overall was 210. lost to DePaul. Also 1-5 road/neutral vs top 50 teams
Davidson. 3-9 vs top 100 teams. Vandy was 7-10 vs top 100 teams. So no, Davidson didn't do exactly what Vandy did at all....

The problem, as my friend John Calipari has pointed out, is that its a moving target. The committee will choose whichever metric to fit their viewpoint (like somehow including Tulsa). If the RPI isn't sufficient, then they need to tweak the formula and then just take it wholesale. Its too open to interpretation when u can just cherry pick the stats. If u were to take the top 45 here would anything really be objectionable? http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball ... etball-rpi
vs this
http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men ... -seed-list

Frankly yes. Akron is not the #34 team in the country. South Dakota St isn't #28.

[stever20]

and frankly regarding the RPI, I don't recall many folks here last year complaining about the RPI when Temple got jobbed, despite having the #34 RPI.

Also, I guess then if we go straight RPI, you're fine in Butler missing the tourney with their #56 RPI this year.

[DudeAnon]

and frankly regarding the RPI, I don't recall many folks here last year complaining about the RPI when Temple got jobbed, despite having the #34 RPI.

Also, I guess then if we go straight RPI, you're fine in Butler missing the tourney with their #56 RPI this year.

Um, everyone recognized Temple got jobbed. Any why? Their RPI. I would be fine with Butler missing, they haven't played like a tournament team since Jan 1st except when playing Seton Hall somehow.

[GumbyDamnit!]

Steven claimed last week he hates the P5 and wants to see conferences like the Big East and AAC prosper, but is now going to town on the A10. I don't get it

Big East and AAC have teams that can challenge P5 teams for the national title. The A10 I'm sorry but they just can't.

Please explain that to VCU and Dayton who both have made decent runs in the tourney recently. The AAC should aspire to be like the A10. More bids and better performance last year. Should have had 4 in with St Bonnie's over Tulsa. Not sure why you now are crapping on them vs the AAC.

[Westbrook#36]

I see stever is posting in full DEFCON 2, AAC defense mode today.

[marquette]

and frankly regarding the RPI, I don't recall many folks here last year complaining about the RPI when Temple got jobbed, despite having the #34 RPI.

Also, I guess then if we go straight RPI, you're fine in Butler missing the tourney with their #56 RPI this year.

Didn't Temple lose to a division 2 school last year? If that happens, you don't deserve to get in. Period.

[stever20]

and frankly regarding the RPI, I don't recall many folks here last year complaining about the RPI when Temple got jobbed, despite having the #34 RPI.

Also, I guess then if we go straight RPI, you're fine in Butler missing the tourney with their #56 RPI this year.

Didn't Temple lose to a division 2 school last year? If that happens, you don't deserve to get in. Period.

no Temple didn't, Tulsa did.