Big East Conference to Date

[aughnanure]

Would you currently call Nova a notch below blue blood? Because they've had literally the same amount of success that we did in that 12 year stretch.

If it is just one notch, it is still a BIG notch. We were a Top 20 program for sure. I would still put us in the 3rd Tier though. 1st Tier would be KU, UCLA (3FF), UNC, Duke, Kentucky. 2nd Tier Michigan St, Florida, Louisville, UConn, Arizona, Texas. 3rd Tier is much bigger and includes teams like Georgetown, Villanova, Butler, Xavier, Syracuse, Gonzaga, Marquette, Maryland, Michigan, Ohio St, Wisconsin, Oklahoma, Memphis, etc.

Yes, well put. I'd say X and Butler are probably solidly in that third tier at this point as well.

Yes, duh. Didn't mean to exclude them. Tier 10 would be Getting hit by a bus and Dayton.

[NJRedman]

uhhh several notches below

Would you currently call Nova a notch below blue blood? Because they've had literally the same amount of success that we did in that 12 year stretch.

If it is just one notch, it is still a BIG notch. We were a Top 20 program for sure. I would still put us in the 3rd Tier though. 1st Tier would be KU, UCLA (3FF), UNC, Duke, Kentucky. 2nd Tier Michigan St, Florida, Louisville, UConn, Arizona, Texas. 3rd Tier is much bigger and includes teams like Georgetown, Villanova, Syracuse, Gonzaga, Marquette, Maryland, Michigan, Ohio St, Wisconsin, Oklahoma, Memphis, etc. We didn't win enough regular season titles to be considered up there (to be fair, titles in a 16-team league are pretty ridiculously hard to get...conferences those size are just getting silly).

I'd put Indiana in the second tier at least.

[aughnanure]

Would you currently call Nova a notch below blue blood? Because they've had literally the same amount of success that we did in that 12 year stretch.

If it is just one notch, it is still a BIG notch. We were a Top 20 program for sure. I would still put us in the 3rd Tier though. 1st Tier would be KU, UCLA (3FF), UNC, Duke, Kentucky. 2nd Tier Michigan St, Florida, Louisville, UConn, Arizona, Texas. 3rd Tier is much bigger and includes teams like Georgetown, Villanova, Syracuse, Gonzaga, Marquette, Maryland, Michigan, Ohio St, Wisconsin, Oklahoma, Memphis, etc. We didn't win enough regular season titles to be considered up there (to be fair, titles in a 16-team league are pretty ridiculously hard to get...conferences those size are just getting silly).

I'd put Indiana in the second tier at least.

Their resume since 2000 looks a lot more similar to Tier 3 programs.

[scoscox]

syracuse is probably tier 2 as well haha, but i won't nitpick

[notkirkcameron]

I know you guys have won at least a share of a Big East regular season title, have you guys ever won the conference tourny? I can't remember if you did though I know there was a stretch where you beat us during the tourny. I was at one of those games. haha

Big East Champs in 2012*, 2013. Technically finished 2nd in 2012, but Syracuse vacated their wins, hence the *.

Never made it to Saturday night at the Garden. Lost in the Big East Semis to Pittsburgh in 2008, and Georgetown in 2010.

[aughnanure]

syracuse is probably tier 2 as well haha, but i won't nitpick

meh, I'm not sure they do. 2 Final Fours, yes. But outisde that pretty comparable with S16s and conference championships witht he others. Actually, Texas probably belong back in Tier 3 too. Michigan St, UConn, Louisville, Florida, and Arizona are pretty solidly ahead of the others.

[notkirkcameron]

If it is just one notch, it is still a BIG notch. We were a Top 20 program for sure. I would still put us in the 3rd Tier though. 1st Tier would be KU, UCLA (3FF), UNC, Duke, Kentucky. 2nd Tier Michigan St, Florida, Louisville, UConn, Arizona, Texas. 3rd Tier is much bigger and includes teams like Georgetown, Villanova, Syracuse, Gonzaga, Marquette, Maryland, Michigan, Ohio St, Wisconsin, Oklahoma, Memphis, etc. We didn't win enough regular season titles to be considered up there (to be fair, titles in a 16-team league are pretty ridiculously hard to get...conferences those size are just getting silly).

I generally agree, but I gotta take issue with your placement of freaking Texas as a team on the level with Michigan State, Louisville, and UConn. Don't confuse the following of the program for its actual excellence.

Texas has been to one Final Four since the 1940s, and has never won the NCAA Tournament.

Yes, Texas made it to the tournament 9 times in the last 10 seasons (including this one), but they failed to make the second weekend in 8.

Texas won the Big 12 three times, but has failed to do so since 2008.

Further, of those three Big 12 titles, only one was won outright. Iowa State (2) has more outright Big 12 titles than Texas (1).

Fourteen of Texas' 22 SWC titles predate the Moon landing.

I would ordinarily say Texas is a program more like Illinois, but NOBODY can match Illini fans in terms of "braggadocio despite utter absence of accolades."

[MUBoxer]

yes, probably several notches below, it's not like they are or you were, in any way coming close to becoming a UCLA, Kentucky, Duke or Carolina

heck, if it weren't for Dwayne Wade's final four, Xavier has arguably enjoyed more success than marquette has in the past 15-20 years and i'd say we're pretty far from being a blue blood.

Ok as long as you're being consistent. But with regards to the FF you can't just say "if it weren't for..." I mean I could throw that at you guys to and say "if it weren't for 'x' player then X wouldn't have the resume they've had" those things did happen and you can't discount them.

If it is just one notch, it is still a BIG notch. We were a Top 20 program for sure. I would still put us in the 3rd Tier though. 1st Tier would be KU, UCLA (3FF), UNC, Duke, Kentucky. 2nd Tier Michigan St, Florida, Louisville, UConn, Arizona, Texas. 3rd Tier is much bigger and includes teams like Georgetown, Villanova, Syracuse, Gonzaga, Marquette, Maryland, Michigan, Ohio St, Wisconsin, Oklahoma, Memphis, etc. We didn't win enough regular season titles to be considered up there (to be fair, titles in a 16-team league are pretty ridiculously hard to get...conferences those size are just getting silly).

With all due respect Aughnanure I think depending on when you start your count from your list is pretty flawed. If you go from say 2000 there's no way you can say that UCLA even with 3 final fours is somehow more deserving of blue blood status than Michigan St or Florida or Uconn. I'd also say you'd need to better define what you consider a blue blood because Duke has 5 championships and Uconn has four, is that one championship the difference between tier one and tier 2? And with that how can you include Arizona (1NC, 1RU, 2FF) in the same tier as Florida (2 NC, 1 RU, 2FF) and UConn (4NC, 1FF). I'd dare say Arizona is closer to MU, Nova and GTown as opposed to those top teams.

[aughnanure]

If it is just one notch, it is still a BIG notch. We were a Top 20 program for sure. I would still put us in the 3rd Tier though. 1st Tier would be KU, UCLA (3FF), UNC, Duke, Kentucky. 2nd Tier Michigan St, Florida, Louisville, UConn, Arizona, Texas. 3rd Tier is much bigger and includes teams like Georgetown, Villanova, Syracuse, Gonzaga, Marquette, Maryland, Michigan, Ohio St, Wisconsin, Oklahoma, Memphis, etc. We didn't win enough regular season titles to be considered up there (to be fair, titles in a 16-team league are pretty ridiculously hard to get...conferences those size are just getting silly).

I generally agree, but I gotta take issue with your placement of freaking Texas as a team on the level with Michigan State, Louisville, and UConn. Don't confuse the following of the program for its actual excellence.

Texas has been to one Final Four since the 1940s, and has never won the NCAA Tournament.

Yes, Texas made it to the tournament 9 times in the last 10 seasons (including this one), but they failed to make the second weekend in 8.

Texas won the Big 12 three times, but has failed to do so since 2008.

Further, of those three Big 12 titles, only one was won outright. Iowa State (2) has more outright Big 12 titles than Texas (1).

Fourteen of Texas' 22 SWC titles predate the Moon landing.

I would ordinarily say Texas is a program more like Illinois, but NOBODY can match Illini fans in terms of "braggadocio despite utter absence of accolades."

hey, I took Texas back! But come on, they are not Illinois. They missed ONE NCAA tourney since 1999, went to 5 S16s, 1 FF, and 3 E8s. Illinois went to just 2 E8s, and 4 S16 and missed the tournament 6 times since 2000. Up until Rick Barnes kind of hit a wall, that program was running very well.

[scoscox]

syracuse is probably tier 2 as well haha, but i won't nitpick

meh, I'm not sure they do. 2 Final Fours, yes. But outisde that pretty comparable with S16s and conference championships witht he others. Actually, Texas probably belong back in Tier 3 too. Michigan St, UConn, Louisville, Florida, and Arizona are pretty solidly ahead of the others.

umm and a national title