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Re: Bubble Watch

Postby Westbrook#36 » Sun Feb 28, 2016 6:03 pm

stever20 wrote:UConn isn't on shaky ground. They were like a 8 or 9 seed and lost to a team in the top 100. It would be better than PC losing to Creighton for example. UConn is still in really good shape.

bubble teams are lucky that Houston had a putrid OOC schedule.


Replace the name UConn with Butler or Providence in that situation and stever would be singing a completely different tune.
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Re: Bubble Watch

Postby stever20 » Sun Feb 28, 2016 6:06 pm

Westbrook#36 wrote:
stever20 wrote:UConn isn't on shaky ground. They were like a 8 or 9 seed and lost to a team in the top 100. It would be better than PC losing to Creighton for example. UConn is still in really good shape.

bubble teams are lucky that Houston had a putrid OOC schedule.


Replace the name UConn with Butler or Providence in that situation and stever would be singing a completely different tune.

WRONG....

I've been one saying that PC is still likely in, even with their PUTRID KP numbers. Every bit of me with the way the committee is now thinks PC is in deep trouble. But I think end of the day, they get in. UConn actually had a good OOC schedule. Butler and PC really didn't. Also their advanced metrics numbers are good.

Cincy and UConn are both in good shape. If they make the SF they should be in. Tulsa and Temple need final at least, and frankly probably need to win to get in.
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Re: Bubble Watch

Postby marquette » Sun Feb 28, 2016 6:13 pm

Tough day for stever as UConn and Tulsa both go down to inferior competition.
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Re: Bubble Watch

Postby Westbrook#36 » Sun Feb 28, 2016 6:14 pm

I'M RIGHT. AND YOU KNOW IT.

You are such a joke, UConn's resume is no better than Butler's or Providence's, yet they're not on shaky ground but both Butler and Providence are. You're act is so old. If UConn was a BE team you would be shitting on their chances. FACT.
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Re: Bubble Watch

Postby stever20 » Sun Feb 28, 2016 6:25 pm

Westbrook#36 wrote:I'M RIGHT. AND YOU KNOW IT.

You are such a joke, UConn's resume is no better than Butler's or Providence's, yet they're not on shaky ground but both Butler and Providence are. You're act is so old. If UConn was a BE team you would be shitting on their chances. FACT.

Then WHY do ALL bracketologists have UConn in as a 8 or 9 while Butler is either one of the last teams in or out of the tourney. UConn was in EVERY single bracket with an average seed of 8.38. Butler only in 50/76 brackets with an average seed of 10.76. So obviously the folks whose job is to do these brackets thinks UConn's resume is better than Butlers. I know that kills you- but that is a fact.
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Re: Bubble Watch

Postby stever20 » Sun Feb 28, 2016 6:30 pm

marquette wrote:Tough day for stever as UConn and Tulsa both go down to inferior competition.

For Tulsa, it's a brutal loss. For UConn, it's not like Houston is a bad loss. VERY similar to Creighton- except they've done a bit better in conference play. They have a bad loss to USF or they would be in very interesting shape right now. Houston has wins over Temple, Tulsa, SMU, and UConn now. But OOC wise, they scheduled awfully(worse than any BE team to tell you how bad it was).
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Re: Bubble Watch

Postby Westbrook#36 » Sun Feb 28, 2016 6:44 pm

stever20 wrote:
Westbrook#36 wrote:I'M RIGHT. AND YOU KNOW IT.

You are such a joke, UConn's resume is no better than Butler's or Providence's, yet they're not on shaky ground but both Butler and Providence are. You're act is so old. If UConn was a BE team you would be shitting on their chances. FACT.

Then WHY do ALL bracketologists have UConn in as a 8 or 9 while Butler is either one of the last teams in or out of the tourney. UConn was in EVERY single bracket with an average seed of 8.38. Butler only in 50/76 brackets with an average seed of 10.76. So obviously the folks whose job is to do these brackets thinks UConn's resume is better than Butlers. I know that kills you- but that is a fact.


Have they been updated with today's loss stever? I know it kills you to give any BE team credit, but Butler and Providence are in good shape. FACT.

And with that I'm done beating this dead horse,I should've know better than to get into with the resident aaaac minster of propaganda.
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Re: Bubble Watch

Postby stever20 » Sun Feb 28, 2016 6:50 pm

Westbrook#36 wrote:
stever20 wrote:
Westbrook#36 wrote:I'M RIGHT. AND YOU KNOW IT.

You are such a joke, UConn's resume is no better than Butler's or Providence's, yet they're not on shaky ground but both Butler and Providence are. You're act is so old. If UConn was a BE team you would be shitting on their chances. FACT.

Then WHY do ALL bracketologists have UConn in as a 8 or 9 while Butler is either one of the last teams in or out of the tourney. UConn was in EVERY single bracket with an average seed of 8.38. Butler only in 50/76 brackets with an average seed of 10.76. So obviously the folks whose job is to do these brackets thinks UConn's resume is better than Butlers. I know that kills you- but that is a fact.


Have they been updated with today's loss stever? I know it kills you to give any BE team credit, but Butler and Providence are in good shape. FACT.

Not yet- but losing to a top 100 team isn't going to drop them 15+ spots, which is what it would take now. If so, then Providence better beat Creighton, because Providence IS much closer to the bubble than UConn was, and Houston was ahead of Creighton

And I'd say as well, with the way the committee has said they're using the advanced metrics more and more, for a team that is #57 in Ken Pom right now(PC)- I don't know how anyone could say they're in good shape right now. I think they get in, but it's going to be close.
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Re: Bubble Watch

Postby CoachK » Sun Feb 28, 2016 10:17 pm

stever20 wrote:
herodotus wrote:UConn went down to Houston today, and is now on shaky ground with a road game coming up vs SMU. Kelvin Sampson is doing at Houston, what we hope to see Mullin do at St. John's, taking a 1980s power that had tumbled, and making them relevant again.

UConn isn't on shaky ground. They were like a 8 or 9 seed and lost to a team in the top 100. It would be better than PC losing to Creighton for example. UConn is still in really good shape.

bubble teams are lucky that Houston had a putrid OOC schedule.


What does that mean? Flip it around, the only reason Houston's record looks so good is because of that putrid OOC record. They lost to both URI and Grand Canyon. If they had scheduled more games against teams with RPI's better than 150, they would likely have more losses.
You want to make it sound like you replace games against RPI's 344, 349, 339, and 327 with legitimate teams, and you can still count them as wins. But what Houston's 1-2 record vs teams with RPI's 101-150 tells us that likely wouldn't be the case.
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Re: Bubble Watch

Postby stever20 » Sun Feb 28, 2016 10:23 pm

CoachK wrote:
stever20 wrote:
herodotus wrote:UConn went down to Houston today, and is now on shaky ground with a road game coming up vs SMU. Kelvin Sampson is doing at Houston, what we hope to see Mullin do at St. John's, taking a 1980s power that had tumbled, and making them relevant again.

UConn isn't on shaky ground. They were like a 8 or 9 seed and lost to a team in the top 100. It would be better than PC losing to Creighton for example. UConn is still in really good shape.

bubble teams are lucky that Houston had a putrid OOC schedule.


What does that mean? Flip it around, the only reason Houston's record looks so good is because of that putrid OOC record. They lost to both URI and Grand Canyon. If they had scheduled more games against teams with RPI's better than 150, they would likely have more losses.
You want to make it sound like you replace games against RPI's 344, 349, 339, and 327 with legitimate teams, and you can still count them as wins. But what Houston's 1-2 record vs teams with RPI's 101-150 tells us that likely wouldn't be the case.

and they beat LSU. They were 2-2 OOC RPI top 150. wins over LSU and La Monroe, losses to Grand Canyon and Rhode Island. 4-2 vs RPI top 200 OOC. They had though 5 games in the RPI 323-351 range. If those were in the RPI 223-251 range, they would have still almost certainly won those games, and their RPI would have been much better.
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