Big East Games of Interest: 2015-2016

[stever20]

Decent schedule? Western Illinois, IUPUI, North Texas, Coppin St, UTSA, Texas Southern, Rutgers. Even if you take the tournament out of it(which is 1/3 of the OOC schedule), another 1/3 of the OOC schedule wasn't good either. I do think they wanted to get some easier games to help build the confidence of their players. And it's not like Arizona St and Nebraska were expected to be world beaters either. Really going into the season- thought Indiana and Oklahoma and then a bunch of muck.

[gtmoBlue]

Steverrrr...

on to your next thread, sir.

[stever20]

Virginia beats NC State 73-53. The final nail in the coffin with NC State.... They're 13-13.

[born_a_Jay]

Virginia beats NC State 73-53. The final nail in the coffin with NC State.... They're 13-13.

So based on this comment, you gave NC State a chance for an at large bid prior to the Virginia game with a 13-12 record and a RPI of 109 yet you give 17-9 Creighton no chance with a RPI of 81. Stever, you must be a product of common core math.

[stever20]

Virginia beats NC State 73-53. The final nail in the coffin with NC State.... They're 13-13.

So based on this comment, you gave NC State a chance for an at large bid prior to the Virginia game with a 13-12 record and a RPI of 109 yet you give 17-9 Creighton no chance with a RPI of 81. Stever, you must be a product of common core math.

If they had won last night, their RPI would have jumped Creighton. With a better ending schedule.

And look, I do give Creighton a shot, but they need to win 4 games almost certainly. They have little wiggle room.

[sciencejay]

Stever, we get that you are faithful to the numbers to the last. We really do get it. You are right that with our current record we are on the wrong side of the bubble and our poor OOC SOS is a part of that.

However, as a Jays fan, I don't mind the OOC schedule at all. It absolutely began-and continues to be-a rebuilding year. The problem with our NCAA tourney hopes is that we have lost games that we should have won--not could have won, should have won. ASU--up most of the game and couldn't get a stop on defense or a bucket on offense at the end. @Loyola--terrible start on both ends of the court and wild second half rally falls short. @Georgetown--exactly the same as the ASU game. Providence--both teams sucked it up, but at the end, the Friars made a shot (after hitting the rim 17 times and the top of the backboard--totally appropriate that that was the game winner in that ugly game) and the Jays didn't. These are all games where a single additional stop and/or a single additional basket would have won the game for us. And that doesn't include the OU game where we played tough and just couldn't get over the hump when it was a one possession game from about 8 minutes left to 5 minutes left. That game counts as a could've, not a should've, so I'm not including it in the consideration here.

If we would've won the ASU, @Loyola and @G'Town games, we would be on the right side of the bubble--even with our crappy OOC schedule. With those three games and even without beating Providence, we would now be 20-6 overall and 9-4 in conference. Heck, if everything fell our way and we beat the Friars too, we'd be 21-5 and 10-3 and probably be ranked. If we would have taken care of business in those games, we are in a completely different position, bubble-wise.

Every team can't create the #1 OOC SOS every year. And that wouldn't be practical considering that rosters change and rebuilding years occur. But you have to go out and take advantage of the opportunities that you have. This year the Jays missed on an important few chances.

So, while an excellent OOC SOS is good, winning games is the most important component of any BEast team's resume. We get excellent SOS #s in conference, so during a rebuilding year, you have to beat the teams you should beat.

[stever20]

Stever, we get that you are faithful to the numbers to the last. We really do get it. You are right that with our current record we are on the wrong side of the bubble and our poor OOC SOS is a part of that.

However, as a Jays fan, I don't mind the OOC schedule at all. It absolutely began-and continues to be-a rebuilding year. The problem with our NCAA tourney hopes is that we have lost games that we should have won--not could have won, should have won. ASU--up most of the game and couldn't get a stop on defense or a bucket on offense at the end. @Loyola--terrible start on both ends of the court and wild second half rally falls short. @Georgetown--exactly the same as the ASU game. Providence--both teams sucked it up, but at the end, the Friars made a shot (after hitting the rim 17 times and the top of the backboard--totally appropriate that that was the game winner in that ugly game) and the Jays didn't. These are all games where a single additional stop and/or a single additional basket would have won the game for us. And that doesn't include the OU game where we played tough and just couldn't get over the hump when it was a one possession game from about 8 minutes left to 5 minutes left. That game counts as a could've, not a should've, so I'm not including it in the consideration here.

If we would've won the ASU, @Loyola and @G'Town games, we would be on the right side of the bubble--even with our crappy OOC schedule. With those three games and even without beating Providence, we would now be 20-6 overall and 9-4 in conference. Heck, if everything fell our way and we beat the Friars too, we'd be 21-5 and 10-3 and probably be ranked. If we would have taken care of business in those games, we are in a completely different position, bubble-wise.

Every team can't create the #1 OOC SOS every year. And that wouldn't be practical considering that rosters change and rebuilding years occur. But you have to go out and take advantage of the opportunities that you have. This year the Jays missed on an important few chances.

So, while an excellent OOC SOS is good, winning games is the most important component of any BEast team's resume. We get excellent SOS #s in conference, so during a rebuilding year, you have to beat the teams you should beat.

I agree with you. The problem with the ASU game is that was one of the few good teams you played OOC. If you win that game- you still wouldn't have a top 100 OOC win- as ASU wouldn't be in the top 100 taking away that road win.... Georgetown probably would have been then outside the top 100 as well with that loss. So Creighton would be 20-6 right now with only 3 top 100 wins(as the home win over Georgetown now is discounted).

So even with those 3 more wins- wouldn't change a ton. Would be probably in the first 4 out instead of not in the first 8 out.

[JayPak]

Creighton's OOC was terrible at the bottom. Need to get rid of all the sub-250 teams next year.
Wichita's slack for the FVV injury is gone, with them having taken 2 questionable losses recently at full strength, not to mention losing to fellow bubbler Seton Hall earlier.

[cu blujs]

Here is the view of one committee member on what the numbers mean (or don't mean). This is from a column in the Omaha World Herald by sports editor Tom Shatel.

There’s a bracketologist in every arena seat, with an RPI chart or a logarithm sheet from noted hoops metrics guru Ken Pomeroy. They’ll update you on CU’s status after Tuesday’s game. But I enlisted some hints from a man in the know — Creighton Athletic Director Bruce Rasmussen, a member of the NCAA Basketball Committee — to provide some helpful hints for the bracketologists.

» RPI: “The RPI is like a 5-iron on the golf course,” Rasmussen said. “It’s something I might use. And if I do use it, I hope it works. But we don’t use it all the time. We don’t use it as much as people think. We don’t ever talk about RPI.”

» Other metrics, such as the “Kenpom” rating, go on a “Nitty Gritty” sheet for each school. Rasmussen said the metrics are used by committee members as a guide to form a big-picture, total-résumé opinion of each school.

“For instance, I’m in charge of the Big Ten for the committee,” Rasmussen said. “I might get up and talk about Maryland. “I won’t mention their RPI. But I’ll talk about their offensive and defensive efficiency, which we get from Kenpom. Good wins, road wins, nonconference schedule, shooting percentage. How often do they get to the line. Are they balanced?”

» Top 50 wins: “We talk about it, but it’s easy to get tricked by the top 50. What’s the difference between No. 47 and No. 53? Those two teams are basically the same.”

» Conference RPI: “It’s never mentioned. But that doesn’t mean it’s not important. Where it’s a factor is this: If you’re in a high-rated league, you have a better chance of getting good wins and less of a chance of a loss that hurts you.”

» Number of conference wins: “It doesn’t come up. It’s hard to measure because it goes from league to league. Again, if you’re in a good league, and you win 10 games, you more than likely have some good wins.

“But I go back to the Big Ten. Until this week, Indiana had not played any of the other top five teams in the Big Ten: Michigan State, Maryland, Iowa or Purdue. And they only play those teams a total of five times, whereas Wisconsin plays them nine times. “It’s hard to get a read on number of league wins with all the unbalanced schedules.”

In the end, every school is placed on the board and compared to others based on their individual merits. Then, it comes down to the opinions of 10 individuals.

[stever20]

wow did I just see South Carolina lost to $@%#$% Missouri tonight? Wow. That's a brutal loss.