Conference of the Americas......one-bid

[Xavier4036]

If you are counting Butler's OOC wins over Temple(60), Cincy(63)- then you have to count UConns wins over Georgetown(79) and Ohio St(84)

Also, UConn was 10-3 OOC, not 9-3. And yeah I do think if Butler was 16-10 but with a whole lot better OOC SOS compared to 17-8 but with a poor OOC SOS, they would be a lot closer to being in right now. Think they would have a real shot to get in with 2 wins. And if they had gone say 11-2 with it instead of the 10-3, 1 win would have gotten them in easily.....

The thing is- you look at the RPI OOC. Butler is only about 10 spots higher than UConn in OOC RPI right now- despite being 1.5 games better. That could possibly get a lot smaller here last few weeks. And I was saying if Butlers OOC SOS rating was closer to UConn's- not the performance against it- Butler would be a lot closer right now.

Ugh, Georgetown and Ohio State are not NCAA tournament teams, nor are they on the bubble.

You make no sense.

Butler was 11-1 OOC, with an OOC RPI of 39, and wins against Temple, Cincinnati and Purdue, with the only loss being to Miami FL.
UConn was 10-3 OOC, with an OOC RPI of 47 and wins against Michigan and Texas, with their 3 losses to Gonzaga, Syracuse and Maryland.

Butler has better record, better RPI, much better wins, and yet you somehow conclude that if only Butler had UConn's OOC - they'd be a lock with 1 more win.

And you keep blabbing on, making very little sense, trying to prove that point.

[stever20]

If you are counting Butler's OOC wins over Temple(60), Cincy(63)- then you have to count UConns wins over Georgetown(79) and Ohio St(84)

Also, UConn was 10-3 OOC, not 9-3. And yeah I do think if Butler was 16-10 but with a whole lot better OOC SOS compared to 17-8 but with a poor OOC SOS, they would be a lot closer to being in right now. Think they would have a real shot to get in with 2 wins. And if they had gone say 11-2 with it instead of the 10-3, 1 win would have gotten them in easily.....

The thing is- you look at the RPI OOC. Butler is only about 10 spots higher than UConn in OOC RPI right now- despite being 1.5 games better. That could possibly get a lot smaller here last few weeks. And I was saying if Butlers OOC SOS rating was closer to UConn's- not the performance against it- Butler would be a lot closer right now.

Ugh, Georgetown and Ohio State are not NCAA tournament teams, nor are they on the bubble.

You make no sense.

Butler was 11-1 OOC, with an OOC RPI of 39, and wins against Temple, Cincinnati and Purdue, with the only loss being to Miami FL.
UConn was 10-3 OOC, with an OOC RPI of 47 and wins against Michigan and Texas, with their 3 losses to Gonzaga, Syracuse and Maryland.

Butler has better record, better RPI, much better wins, and yet you somehow conclude that if only Butler had UConn's OOC - they'd be a lock with 1 more win.

And you keep blabbing on, making very little sense, trying to prove that point.

If Butler had UConn's OOC SOS rating and not theirs, with Butler's OOC record, they would be in a lot better position. And frankly, if Butler was 16-10 with a MUCH better SOS(probably about 20-25 spots better overall), that would be better than being the 17-8 but with a 80 SOS. Maybe wouldn't get in with 1 more win, but 2 more wins would pretty much make them a lock. They would get a lot more credit from the committee, lets just say that.

Folks here want to act like Butler's OOC was profound. It really wasn't. UConn only 8 spots behind them in RPI despite having 2 more losses. Committee much prefers a team scheduling tough like UConn vs what Butler did. Having 7 top 100 games rather than 4. Having a top 60 SOS instead of 213 SOS.

[cujaysfan]

i think if you really focus and apply yourself

you can hit 6k posts by the end of the week.

criminy - go pester the big ten board or something...

[stever20]

I just hope the conference schedules better next year as a whole than they did this year...

looking at OOC SOS current vs last year :
Nova 30/55 +25
X 49/37 -12
Creighton 290/189 -101
SH 242/188 -54
PC 194/19 -175
Georgetown 34/9 -25
Butler 214/94 -110
Marquette 306/171 -135
DePaul 190/296 +106
St John's 176/69 -107

last year all 6 tourney teams had top 100 OOC SOS. This year as a whole the conference only has 3 top 100 OOC SOS. Half the conference has OOC SOS more than 100 spots worse than last year. I really do think a large part of that is the coaches thought they had young teams and trying to build in some wins early. Creighton, Marquette, Providence, and St John's for sure. Butler even. This was a year where I think a lot of teams thought they had a lot of youth and scheduled accordingly. It's hurting now as some teams have developed quicker than expected.

[X-man]

i think if you really focus and apply yourself

you can hit 6k posts by the end of the week.

criminy - go pester the big ten board or something...

Stever20 has already hit 100 posts in this topic alone. Sad, very sad.

[Wizard of Westroads]

Stever has averaged over 5 posts a day since the board's debut. In sickness and in health, work and personal commitments, vacations in the Caribbean, business travel to Dubai. Through it all, 5 posts a day.

[Xavier4036]

First of all, you continually talk about OOC SOS. You do realize that OOC SOS is a part of calculating the OOC RPI, which Butler has a better OOC RPI than UConn! Better has significantly better OOC wins, has a better OOC RPI and only one loss (to a top 15 team), so you decide to have a laser-focus one the one thing, OOC SOS, that UConn is stronger in Butler and act as though the committee is making at-large selections based on that .... when Butler's OOC RPI is stronger than UConn's, which includes SOS in its calculation!

Do you know how ridiculous your argument sounds? You're saying the committee would favor UConn's OOC, simply because they scheduled tougher games. Doesn't matter that they only actually BEAT two tournament/bubble teams in Michigan and Texas - they lost to Gonzaga, Maryland and Syrcause (2 of which are bubble teams), surely they should definitely get a bid simply for playing and losing to these teams (again 2 bubble teams)!

Again, Butler has a stronger OOC RPI, MUCH better OOC wins and only a single loss to a Top 15 team, yet you try to convince us UConn's OOC is better because they have a worse OOC RPI, have fewer quality wins (exactly 0 wins against NCAA tourney locks) and have several losses to bubble teams.

You boggle the mind, Stevie.

[ivet]

Please stop enabling him.

[stever20]

First of all, you continually talk about OOC SOS. You do realize that OOC SOS is a part of calculating the OOC RPI, which Butler has a better OOC RPI than UConn! Better has significantly better OOC wins, has a better OOC RPI and only one loss (to a top 15 team), so you decide to have a laser-focus one the one thing, OOC SOS, that UConn is stronger in Butler and act as though the committee is making at-large selections based on that .... when Butler's OOC RPI is stronger than UConn's, which includes SOS in its calculation!

Do you know how ridiculous your argument sounds? You're saying the committee would favor UConn's OOC, simply because they scheduled tougher games. Doesn't matter that they only actually BEAT two tournament/bubble teams in Michigan and Texas - they lost to Gonzaga, Maryland and Syrcause (2 of which are bubble teams), surely they should definitely get a bid simply for playing and losing to these teams (again 2 bubble teams)!

Again, Butler has a stronger OOC RPI, MUCH better OOC wins and only a single loss to a Top 15 team, yet you try to convince us UConn's OOC is better because they have a worse OOC RPI, have fewer quality wins (exactly 0 wins against NCAA tourney locks) and have several losses to bubble teams.

You boggle the mind, Stevie.

Butler really doesn't have much better OOC wins.
They have a win over Purdue as a top 50 win guaranteed to be in the tourney. Temple and Cincy aren't guarantees yet at all and aren't in the top 50.
UConn has a win over Texas as a top 50 win guaranteed to be in the tourney(and yes they are a lock). Michigan isn't a guarantee yet- but they are ahead of Temple and Cincy right now- and they are in the top 50...

No lock that Temple and Cincy will be better than Georgetown and Ohio St. But having 4 top 100 wins is better than having 3 top 100 wins.

the way you want to make it out- Butler is way ahead of UConn OOC. They aren't. Butler did not have a profound OOC schedule.

[Westbrook#36]

Please stop enabling him.

Would it actually make a difference? No one enabled him when he resurrected this thread after laying dormant for nearly 2 weeks. As of now 12 pages of this thread are made up entirely of stever's posts, that's beyond sad and pathetic. It kills him that his beloved aaaaac is a national afterthought and irrelevant, so he brings that conference up in almost every thread or discussion and when someone reply's to his foolishness he says, see you you guys can't stop talking about the aaaaac.


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