Conference of the Americas......one-bid

[stever20]

I approved the murphy post because it was informatvie. Never realized the Bearcans shouldn't be referred to as "Cincy".

Me too....

Of course we now know what the Ball will be calling them from here on out.

I do know though that I've called Indianapolis a billion times Indy and no one has ever said anything?

Kind of curious from X/Butler fans about this one....

[DudeAnon]

I approved the murphy post because it was informatvie. Never realized the Bearcans shouldn't be referred to as "Cincy".

Me too....

Of course we now know what the Ball will be calling them from here on out.

I do know though that I've called Indianapolis a billion times Indy and no one has ever said anything?

Kind of curious from X/Butler fans about this one....

I have spent my whole life in Cincinnati. Murphy is just making shit up.

[stever20]

I approved the murphy post because it was informatvie. Never realized the Bearcans shouldn't be referred to as "Cincy".

Me too....

Of course we now know what the Ball will be calling them from here on out.

I do know though that I've called Indianapolis a billion times Indy and no one has ever said anything?

Kind of curious from X/Butler fans about this one....

I have spent my whole life in Cincinnati. Murphy is just making shit up.

that's kind of what I thought...

looked at the Indy 500
http://www.indianapolismotorspeedway.co ... uy-tickets

considering on the website they even call it Indy 500 several times- think you are probably right.

[murphy]

[q
Of course we now know what the Ball will be calling them from here on out.

I do know though that I've called Indianapolis a billion times Indy and no one has ever said anything?

Kind of curious from X/Butler fans about this one....[/quote]

I have spent my whole life in Cincinnati. Murphy is just making shit up.[/quote]
that's kind of what I thought...

looked at the Indy 500
http://www.indianapolismotorspeedway.co ... uy-tickets

considering on the website they even call it Indy 500 several times- think you are probably right.[/quote]


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The University of Cincinnati (commonly referred to as Cincinnati or UC) is a comprehensive public research university in Cincinnati, in the U.S. state of Ohio, and a part of the University System of Oh

When I hear "Cincy" referring to the Bengals or UC, I automatically know it is someone who is trying to act like they know what they are talking about, however they do not really have a clue about southwest Ohio.

[DudeAnon]

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The University of Cincinnati (commonly referred to as Cincinnati or UC) is a comprehensive public research university in Cincinnati, in the U.S. state of Ohio, and a part of the University System of Oh

When I hear "Cincy" referring to the Bengals or UC, I automatically know it is someone who is trying to act like they know what they are talking about, however they do not really have a clue about southwest Ohio.

I have lived in Cincy my whole life, you are simply wrong.

[stever20]

so much stuff wrong here it's not funny...

1st off... the individual games do not matter. If everyone finishes 9-9, everyone would be adding in 160-160 to their opponents category, and everyone would be adding in 1280-1280 to their opponents opponents category. It wouldn't matter if Nova lost to St John's 2x and DePaul 2x, and beat X 2x and Butler 2x. It just doesn't matter. AAC is a smidge different because of the slight non-round robin. But still- pretty close.

Stever a flat RPI # is just one of many measures for the committee. If it was RPI alone then a computer would spit out all of the bids come March. But that doesn't happen. Other metrics like record vs RPI TOP 25 and Top 50 are also very important. Wins on the road and neutral courts vs. quality opponents are also important. So hypothetically if Team A beats the RPI #1 away, and loses to RPI #120, it is WAY better than that same team splitting two games with the RPI #60. The #120 loss is not a "bad" loss in the committee's eyes but beating the top RPI team on their home floor would be HUGE in that selection room.

So again, you are wrong. Individual games absolutely matter.

as far as Marquette, Seton Hall. Seton Hall would be 19-11 with a 59.2 RPI. They I think would be in, but may need a win in the BET.
Now with Marquette. You are saying they beat Nova, Butler, and X at least once each. I'll assume a split in the head to head.... So right there, both teams are 4-6. That means going 5-3 against the other 4 teams. Could get into bad loss category pretty easily.

I will take this as a concession. The fact that you say that they "could" get into a bad loss category means nothing. They also "could" not.

Marquette's problem is their overall SOS. It's over 100. OOC SOS in the 335 range. RPI at 9-9 would be 93. Sorry- but that profile doesn't get teams in the tourney. Not at all. Also, if Butler has lost to both Seton Hall and Marquette, they would need to go 9-5 to finish in the top 25 against the rest of the conference- including games with Nova and PC. PC would need to go 8-6 to finish in the top 25. No guarantee either of those would happen. So you don't know that they would have 3 RPI top 25 wins at the end of the season at all whatsoever. So would not say it's likely that Marquette would be in at all with a 9-9 record. I don't think even Marquette folks would say that quite frankly. Individual teams make the tourney not conference. You can't just say a 9-9 Big East team is automatic in the tourney. No way no how. If Marquette had actually scheduled not even great but just decent, they would probably be in quite frankly.

The level at which you are off base with this whole OOC SOS is mind boggling to me. You seem like a somewhat intelligent guy so why can't you understand that OOC SOS means nothing in a conference like the BE. Marq has at least 8 games left on their schedules vs the RPI top 25. 8. Teams in lesser conferences need a healthy OOC because they don't get the same opportunities for quality wins. X was .500 in conf last year but they had a handful of great conference wins vs teams that were all in the Top 50- RPI (SJU, Prov, G'town, Butler). They weren't anywhere near the bubble.

Again, the committee looks at more than just flat RPI. A 20 win team out of one of the top conferences with 4 scalps vs top 25 RPI teams is a guaranteed bid. No ifs, ands or buts. Why? Because they are going to be matched up with the Tulsa's and the Cincy's, who may have 1 Top 25 win on their resumes come March. It's one of the reasons Temple and Tulsa were left out last year. Temple had one good win and Tulsa had none. If Marq has 4, they are golden. Again this is an example of the importance of a strong conference. The rising tide raises all boats. And in this case provides a team like Marq, who didn't have the best OOC SOS the chance to prove themselves against the best teams in the country during conference play. If they can get to 9 wins against that level of competition, they deserve a bid. I believe the committee will agree with me.

What I find hilarious about you, though, is if it is a debate about Big East teams like G'town having a healthy RPI but poor W-L record you talk about how teams need to get to 20 wins to get bids. And then for Marq you move the goalposts back the other way. Which is it so I can know for future discussions?

Gumby, the gap was LARGER last season. MUCH larger. Maybe not in RPI, but definitely in Ken Pom- which is where things are going more and more. In KP- the gap is only .1060. Last year that gap was a whopping .2262. Advanced metrics meaning more and more and more.

You are again wrong. This is a discussion about the relative strength of two conferences. The RPI is the defacto standard metric for college basketball. Here is yet another example of you trying desperately to use any data points you can, move the goalposts as quickly as possible all in an effort to cast a shadow on what is really going on, and refusing to admit to what we all know to be true. Stop this. You are embarrassing yourself.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology/conference/rpi/2015-16

Year / Conf / RPI / Difference

2013-14
BE - .5645
AAC - .5449
Gap - .0196

2014-15
BE - .5690
AAC - .5248
Gap - .0442

2015-16
BE - .5777
AAC - .5188
Gap - .0589

See a pattern? It's called a widening gap. And how it is widening is quite interesting, no? The BE getting stronger and stronger and the American consistently dropping

Anything else or are we about done here?

Following up on this....

2015-16
BE- .5691
AAC- .5390
Gap .0301

So what about that widening gap now? The gap this year .0301 last year .0442.

In Ken Pom
This year-
BE- .7705 #5
AAC .6797 #7
gap .0908

last year-
BE .7809 #3
AAC .5547 #10
gap .2562

I think having the AAC and BE both strong is good. I want the P5 to have as much comptetition as possible. I don't want the P5 train to just run away and hide.

[GoldenWarrior11]

[Xavier4036]

Stever, the AAAAC is 8th conference, the Big East is 4th. That's all that needs to be said

If you want to insist on using the raw numbers, which NOONE other than you does - just RPI rankings.... The AAAAC is closer to the Colonial, Mid American, Mountain West and Summit conferences than the Big East.

Being ranked 8th in the country RPI and raw RPI numbers similar to Colonial, MAC, Summit, etc ... And you call that a "strong" year. What alternate universe do you live in?

[stever20]

Stever, the AAAAC is 8th conference, the Big East is 4th. That's all that needs to be said

If you want to insist on using the raw numbers, which NOONE other than you does - just RPI rankings.... The AAAAC is closer to the Colonial, Mid American, Mountain West and Summit conferences than the Big East.

Being ranked 8th in the country RPI and raw RPI numbers similar to Colonial, MAC, Summit, etc ... And you call that a "strong" year. What alternate universe do you live in?

The AAC has closed the gap this year considerably. Also in Ken Pom, which is starting to mean more and more to selection- Big East is #5 now and AAC is #7 now.

[Jet915]

Stever, the AAAAC is 8th conference, the Big East is 4th. That's all that needs to be said

If you want to insist on using the raw numbers, which NOONE other than you does - just RPI rankings.... The AAAAC is closer to the Colonial, Mid American, Mountain West and Summit conferences than the Big East.

Being ranked 8th in the country RPI and raw RPI numbers similar to Colonial, MAC, Summit, etc ... And you call that a "strong" year. What alternate universe do you live in?

The AAC has closed the gap this year considerably. Also in Ken Pom, which is starting to mean more and more to selection- Big East is #5 now and AAC is #7 now.

U do realize that the rankings include a team (SMU) that is ineligible due to cheating and without their lofty rpi, the "American " would be even worse than they are now......