Conference of the Americas......one-bid

[Jet915]

1-6 now in bowl games. Atleast the one win was Navy!

[GoldenWarrior11]

Just when you think the AAC clears a major hurdle (winning a bowl game thanks to Navy), they go and do something like this...

[ecasadoSBU]

Stever,

What the heck are you talking about?

For the conference RPI- every conference game must have a winner and a loser.

If home team wins- it's 0.6 that goes to the winner and 0.6 that goes to the loser.
If away team wins- it's 1.4 that goes to the winner and 1.4 that goes to the loser.

There is no net gain in conference games.

Considering winning pct for the Big East right now is 71.8-29 (.7123)
let's use tonight's 2 games as example.
If both home teams win tonight. you would add 1.2-1.2 to that. now up to 73-30.2. Now winning pct is .7074
if both away teams win tonight. you would add 2.8-2.8 to the record. now up to 74.6-31.8. Now winning pct is .7011
if split tonight. you would add 2.0-2.0 to the record. now up to 73.8-31. winning pct is .7042

now lets take tomorrow's 3 games..
if all 5 home teams win. now up to 74.8-32. Winning pct is .7003.

That compression will continue thru the season.

Now in the AAC. Their winning pct taking out the 3 conference games yesterday is 65-46.4. .5835.
yesterday they had 2 away teams win and 1 home team win. so 3.4-3.4 added. Now 68.4-49.8. .5789.

So Big East tonight best case in just 2 conference games would lose .0049 in conference winning pct. Could be as bad as .0012.
AAC in 3 conference games last night lost .0046 in conference winning pct.

When 1 conference is at .7123 and the other is at .5835, and you are adding .5000 to both, obviously both will come down, with the higher one getting compressed more.

Stever. Winning Percentage stays the same. It all evens out at the end of the day. You don't know what you are talking about.

intra-conference games have no effect on the RPI or winning percentage of a league. That's because there will always be one winner and one loser in every game. Whether the game is won by the away team or the home team is not significant for the league as a whole. It all balances out. You are applying the weights to intra-conference games. That is nonsense. Truth is that individual teams within the Big East conference may shift up and down, but the conference RPI as whole won't be affected by intra-conference games because it balances it out. The weights only affect the shifting of individuals teams within the league but the league as whole is not affected

Stop making crap up. There will be no "compression" taking place whatsoever.

The only thing that the AAC conference should be hoping for is that the out-of-conference teams they lost/won against play very well in their respective conference slate so that the RPI of that league as whole can move up accordingly.

Truth is there is ZERO chance that the AAC caches up to the Big East. The distance is obvious in RPI and WPCT and it will remain mostly constant through the rest of the regular season.

[stever20]

There are 2 different RPI's- the OOC RPI and then your overall RPI. Look at CBS website: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketb ... conference
As you see, the AAC's OOC RPI right now is .5204. Their overall RPI is .5230.

Also, for all the data points that the Big East currently has- we're talking like 131 so far, each of those has like 18 games left. So that's an extra 2400 games that will get added to the conference RPI. So even the OOC RPI will compress quite a bit in the next 2 1/2 months.

[Jet915]

Watch the video.....embarrassing.

http://deadspin.com/confusing-reports-after-loss-memphis-player-steals-ga-1750346200

[pki1998]

Juxtaposing the Big East and the AAC is literally as comparable as doing so with the AAC and the Big West (and when I say literally I mean literally, the central mean gap between the two is actually less between the AAC and Big West)

Can we finally stop? The Big East may as well be the Western Conference to the AAC. It's so beyond anything that they'll ever approach, discussion is just moot.

I suppose if you have to, the AAC has a reasonably defined peer group in the A10 and the MWC. Although I am still unclear why people care so much about one-bid leagues.

A10- multi bid league 10 straight years....
MWC- multi bid league at least 14 straight years

It's pretty dumb IMO to keep on wanting to say that the AAC, A10, and MWC are 1 bid leagues. Because that just hasn't been reality for quite a long time.

Remove Xavier, Butler, and Temple from your A-10 stat. How many years has the A-10 been a multi bid league with out counting them?

2013 (Butler - 6, Temple - 9, Saint Louis* -4, VCU - 5, LaSalle - 13)
2012 (Xavier - 10, Temple - 4, Saint Louis -9, Saint Bonnies* - 14)
2011 (Xavier - 6, Temple* - 7, and Richmond* 12)
2010 (Xavier - 6, Temple* - 5, and Richmond - 7).
2009 (Xavier - 4, Temple* - 11, and Dayton -11).
2008 (Xavier - 3, Temple* - 12, and St Joes - 11).
2007 (Xavier - 9 and George Washington* - 11).
2006 (Xavier - 14*, and George Washington -8).
2005 (George Washington* - 12)
2004 (Xavier* - 7, St Joes - 1, Richmond - 11, Dayton - 10)

Number after School represents seed, * represents auto bid.

Do you notice a trend there. I see a lot of Temple and Xavier. Xavier, Temple made up 14 of the 30 bids their final ten years in the A-10 throw in the fact that Butler made the tournament their only year in the A-10 and the teams that left earned 50% of the bids in their last 10 years. The rest of the A-10 averaged 1.5 a year. So its pretty silly to say the A-10 has been a multi bid league 10 years in a row, because an A-10 with out Xavier and Temple isn't really the A-10. I know you are going to say that VCU, George Mason and Davidson made the dance a lot in that time frame

VCU - Colonial (2004*-13, 2007*-11, 2009*-11, 2011-11, 2012*-12, 2013-5)
George Mason - Colonial (2006-11, 2008*-12, 2011-8)
Davidson - SoCo (2006*-15, 2007*-13, 2008*-10, 2012*-13, 2013*-14)

Year - Seed, * denotes Auto-Bid

That's 14 bids during the the time frame. Of those 5 were from Davidson, none of which would have received auto bids. In addition at least three of the VCU/GM bids required the team to win their conference tournament, and possibly two other years as well. How many years would they have contributed an additional bid for the A-10 if there weren't able to build their program by winning auto-bids in weak conferences, I would imagine very few.

I don't follow the mountain west, so I assume that is a valid stat. As for the AAC, I have to assume that a conference with UConn, Temple, Memphis, and Cincinnati will produce multiple bids the vast majority of time. It just stinks for the conference that the bottom half is that bad, and will likely remain so.

[stever20]

2013- SLU, VCU, LaSalle
2012- SLU, St Bonnies, VCU
2011- Richmond, VCU, George Mason
2010- Richmond
2009- Dayton, VCU
2008- St Joes, Davidson
2007- GW, VCU
2006- GW, George Mason
so really only 2010 was a 1 bid year.

As far as the AAC. They already have 5 more OOC wins this year than last year vs D1 teams. And still have a few more. Could wind up being +10. It's taking time, but some teams are starting to improve. Given the fact they've won so many games- yet had so many close losses, is a positive for that conference.

[Edrick]

Let it be said just once, but starting from early in the non conference season through the end of the season, the Big East ranked second across the three major metrics in 14/15. The official NCAA RPI had it 2nd at the time of the NCAA,contributing to 60% of conference gaining bids.

Again, the current (likely one bid) AAC is as comparable to that as they are as to some low major conferences. Just stop. None of this is accomplishing anything, no one is going to be convinced the AAC is anything more that it is. And, frankly, most people probably rightly believe that these will be seen as the halcyon days for the conference. In a decade, it'll be indistinguishable with certains incarnations of Conference USA.

[NovaBall]

Conference of the AMericans sucks

[MUPanther]

Happy to see Houston beat FSU!