Conference of the Americas......one-bid

[hortle]

May as well rename half of these threads "argue with stever about rhetorics/numerics". This is a quality board but Im tired of opening up so many threads and seeing them inundated with walls of text. If Stever wont shut up can't everyone agree to stop feeding him?

[stever20]

The records for each conference with all pretty much be at .500, with some minor exceptions for specific home-and-home that he's blowing out of proportion. So stever is banking his argument on this, that every conference including the SWAC and Patriot will slide towards 500.

But 50% of our RPI's are our opponents' W-L record. With some home-away factors pretty much all similar in the Top-10 conferences, the Big East has 6 teams at 10-2 or better, and no teams under 500... again 60% of us are playing .875 ball, and each of us is 500 or better.

The American has 7 of 11 teams with worse records than our 7th place Creighton's 9-4. Tonight Marquette and Seton Hall play each other, and will add a 10-2 team to their "opponent's W-L record", which again is 50% of their RPI. Again, his next move will be to say Seton Hall really isnt 10-2 cuz of the 1.4 to 0.6 RPI factor, but this applies to basically every team in a Top-10 conference.

The American (still a Top-10 conference) isnt completely filled with millstones like South Florida, but they have a bunch of teams that are only 1 or 2 games over 500, that at their best will provide no RPI boost at all. And again, the Big East has 6 teams at 10-2, another at 9-4, and zero teams under 500.

By the way, as of this morning, the AAC has no eligible teams in the RPI Top 80.

Also, i still dont understand stever's motivation here. Spending hour upon hour here.

Here's the records:
Xavier 10.4-0 1.000
PC 10-1 .909
But 8.6-1 .896
SH 8-1.6 .833
Nova 7.6-1.6 .826
Marq 7.6-2.8 .731
Creighton 6.6-3.2 .673
DePaul 8-6 .571
Georgetown 5.4-5.8 .482
St John's 3.6-6.4 .360

ACC has 1 team RPI wise sub .500 right now. And only 4 teams have to play them 2x.
Big 12- none
Big Ten- has Minnesota and Rutgers sub .500(Wisconsin too, but that's with a conference game) There again, only 5 teams have to play them 2x.
Pac 12- none
SEC has 3 sub .500- but there again only 5 teams have to play them 2x.

The AAC only has 2 sub .500 teams themselves. Tulane and USF.

Take ECU. They're 8-5. 6-3.4 though RPI record wise- .638- or not that much behind Creighton.

The thing is as well- everyone in the Big East must play St John's 2x. That's not the case in like the ACC, where 10 teams don't see BC 2x. Only Notre Dame, Syracuse, Clemson, and UNC see them 2x.

[stever20]

Juxtaposing the Big East and the AAC is literally as comparable as doing so with the AAC and the Big West (and when I say literally I mean literally, the central mean gap between the two is actually less between the AAC and Big West)

Can we finally stop? The Big East may as well be the Western Conference to the AAC. It's so beyond anything that they'll ever approach, discussion is just moot.

I suppose if you have to, the AAC has a reasonably defined peer group in the A10 and the MWC. Although I am still unclear why people care so much about one-bid leagues.

A10- multi bid league 10 straight years....
MWC- multi bid league at least 14 straight years

It's pretty dumb IMO to keep on wanting to say that the AAC, A10, and MWC are 1 bid leagues. Because that just hasn't been reality for quite a long time.

[GoldenWarrior11]

This is the unwinnable scenario that Cincinnati and UConn both face while continuing to be in the American.

Both schools were part of a nationally perceived power conference while in the Big East, in both basketball and football. Due to monumental and widespread realignment from 2010-2013, both programs had no other choice other than to accept a place in a perceived lower conference in order to eventually get another shot at a P5 invitation. The unfortunate reality is that if/when both schools defeat other AAC schools (whether in football/basketball), the perception is "well, they used to be power programs, so they should be beating the likes of Tulane, East Carolina, Tulsa, UCF, SMU, etc." On the other side of that coin is that, when they inevitably lose games to those schools, their athletic reputation and perception is lowered due to losses against those perceived "lower" programs. It's a lose/lose scenario for them, no matter what the outcome - as evidenced by Cincinnati's loss (among other Cincinnati/UConn losses) yesterday to Temple.

Cincinnati has really dropped off in both football and basketball. Their basketball team this year was supposed to be one of Cronin's best squads. UConn became one of the worst FBS football programs a few seasons ago, and UConn basketball has been lacking its national recognition due to conference games against AAC schools.

[MUPanther]

Jerry Palm's Bracketology is out today and Cincinnati is out,

[stever20]

This is the unwinnable scenario that Cincinnati and UConn both face while continuing to be in the American.

Both schools were part of a nationally perceived power conference while in the Big East, in both basketball and football. Due to monumental and widespread realignment from 2010-2013, both programs had no other choice other than to accept a place in a perceived lower conference in order to eventually get another shot at a P5 invitation. The unfortunate reality is that if/when both schools defeat other AAC schools (whether in football/basketball), the perception is "well, they used to be power programs, so they should be beating the likes of Tulane, East Carolina, Tulsa, UCF, SMU, etc." On the other side of that coin is that, when they inevitably lose games to those schools, their athletic reputation and perception is lowered due to losses against those perceived "lower" programs. It's a lose/lose scenario for them, no matter what the outcome - as evidenced by Cincinnati's loss (among other Cincinnati/UConn losses) yesterday to Temple.

Cincinnati has really dropped off in both football and basketball. Their basketball team this year was supposed to be one of Cronin's best squads. UConn became one of the worst FBS football programs a few seasons ago, and UConn basketball has been lacking its national recognition due to conference games against AAC schools.

Cincy is really bizarre to me this year in basketball. They aren't Cincy basketball in any shape or form. They're so soft it's not funny.

AS far as UConn, it's year 3. Year 1 they won the title, had plenty of national recognition. Last year, they didn't make the tourney but were on ESPN/2/CBS 18 of 34 games. That's pretty darn good. This year so far they've been on 5 times, and scheduled for 10 more before the conference tourney. Have big game with Georgetown on CBS. If that's not exposure, what is?

Also, if UConn or Cincy beats SMU, they absolutely will get a TON of respect.

[GoldenWarrior11]

Stever, what I am saying is that, due to the "new" conference opponents that UConn has, their losses are much more likely to hurt them perception-wise, due to the strength of teams they were regularly playing in the old Big East. Losing to AAC schools today, for UConn, is a huge deterrent due to the level of conference opponents the school had in the previous 30 years (Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Boston College, Georgetown, Villanova, St. Johns, etc.). Jim Calhoun even said that playing those schools regularly helped elevate UConn to a national power. Today, the level of those schools has dropped considerably. UConn's conference losses since 2013:

2013
SMU (x2)
Houston
Louisville (x3)
Cincinnati

2014
Temple (x2)
Tulsa
Cincinnati
Houston
SMU (x2)
Memphis (x2)

With the exception of Louisville and Cincinnati, none of those schools can hold a cup of water to the program prestige and quality of opponents that the Huskies were normally playing. It's a big reason why Cincinnati has been "lowered" as an athletics program over the past three seasons in football and basketball - they quality of conference opponents has dropped.

Could you imagine if a Tulane/East Carolina/UCF ever upset UConn? East Carolina already upset Cincinnati last year in basketball. You think that didn't further hurt their perception basketball-wise?

[stever20]

Stever, what I am saying is that, due to the "new" conference opponents that UConn has, their losses are much more likely to hurt them perception-wise, due to the strength of teams they were regularly playing in the old Big East. Losing to AAC schools today, for UConn, is a huge deterrent due to the level of conference opponents the school had in the previous 30 years (Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Boston College, Georgetown, Villanova, St. Johns, etc.). Jim Calhoun even said that playing those schools regularly helped elevate UConn to a national power. Today, the level of those schools has dropped considerably. UConn's conference losses since 2013:

2013
SMU (x2)
Houston
Louisville (x3)
Cincinnati

2014
Temple (x2)
Tulsa
Cincinnati
Houston
SMU (x2)
Memphis (x2)

With the exception of Louisville and Cincinnati, none of those schools can hold a cup of water to the program prestige and quality of opponents that the Huskies were normally playing. It's a big reason why Cincinnati has been "lowered" as an athletics program over the past three seasons in football and basketball - they quality of conference opponents has dropped.

Could you imagine if a Tulane/East Carolina/UCF ever upset UConn? East Carolina already upset Cincinnati last year in basketball. You think that didn't further hurt their perception basketball-wise?

Part of things is you can't lose as much if you're a UConn or Cincy.

Also, wouldn't say at all that in football for Cincy, that the quality of opponents has dropped. The Big East football hadn't had a year like this year in the last 3 years of the Big East. Not even close. Remember there was a year where UConn won the conference unranked. look at this year for Cincy. They lost to Temple, Memphis, Houston, and USF. What loss there was a bad loss? The one to USF(only because of margin). None of the other losses hurt Cincy perception wise at all whatsoever. Why has Cincy lowered? Because Tuberville sucks as a coach. Big East Football=AAC Football.

[Westbrook#36]

AAC fans during bowl season:

Bump. Now 1-6. Only win so far by Navy, who isn't even a full member.

[Hoya Hoya Hoya]

LOL why would you even want the game ball after that abortion?

"Memphis player runs past me carrying what I'm guessing was a game ball. Auburn tried to get back. player runs away while giving the finger."

https://twitter.com/DanaSulonen/status/6...3578064896

Gets even better...you stay classy Memphis

"Memphis player No. 39 just ran to Auburn equipment personnel, tackled him and stole a football"

https://twitter.com/JamesCrepea/status/6...8280201217

Memphis is gonna Memphis