Just Dreaming

[NovaBall]

Along with my first post, I think the Seton Hall game v. Wichita is huge this weekend in hopes of being able to land a 7th team.

I'm dreaming of 1991, when 7 of the 9 teams danced, and you didn't even have to be .500 in conference for an invite.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/con ... /1991.html

[stever20]

Along with my first post, I think the Seton Hall game v. Wichita is huge this weekend in hopes of being able to land a 7th team.

I'm dreaming of 1991, when 7 of the 9 teams danced, and you didn't even have to be .500 in conference for an invite.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/con ... /1991.html

2 things....
1st off a pretty big difference between 16 conference and 18 conference games.
2nd off, a team that is 17-15 like Nova was in this day and age has no shot at making the tourney. The committee has totally changed.

[NovaBall]

go away troll boy stever!!

We could get 7 teams in this year. Seton Hall and Marquette win out until conference play they would have a shot at being team #7 with a 8-10 conference record.

Big 12 had 7 of their 10 teams, two which were 8-10 teams, dance last year. But of course since it is the BIG EAST stever claims it can NEVER happen!!

Time for stever to move the goal posts again....... Just stever being stever....

[MUBoxer]

go away troll boy stever!!

We could get 7 teams in this year. Seton Hall and Marquette win out until conference play they would have a shot at being team #7 with a 8-10 conference record.

Big 12 had 7 of their 10 teams, two which were 8-10 teams, dance last year. But of course since it is the BIG EAST stever claims it can NEVER happen!!

Time for stever to move the goal posts again....... Just stever being stever....

It couldn't be Marquette, we'd need to finish high in the standings due to our schedule. It's a nice dream but this isn't the year for it and I doubt it ever happens.

[stever20]

go away troll boy stever!!

We could get 7 teams in this year. Seton Hall and Marquette win out until conference play they would have a shot at being team #7 with a 8-10 conference record.

Big 12 had 7 of their 10 teams, two which were 8-10 teams, dance last year.

Time for stever to move the goal posts again....... Just stever being stever....

Marquette has no chance to go to the tourney finishing 8-10 in conference. They would be 19-12. Their RPI at that record would be 101. That's what happens when you have a 332 OOC SOS.
Seton Hall 8-10 would get them to 19-11. Their RPI at that record would be 73. 278 OOC SOS.
Creighton 8-10 would get them to 18-13. Their RPI at that record would be 84. 284 OOC SOS. (and that's with them beating Oklahoma, otherwise the RPI is even worse).

You bring up the Big 12 teams getting in at 8-10.
Texas had #82 OOC SOS.
Oklahoma St had #168 OOC SOS

so a good 100-200 spots better than the 3.

The SOS is a VERY real problem for Marquette, Seton Hall, and Creighton. Marquette really may need 10 wins to make the tourney with their SOS. Even there, the RPI is still only 73.

Sorry- but it's very possible NONE of those 3 teams get in with 9 wins even. Maybe Seton Hall. And if they don't get in, they only have themselves to blame with their awful OOC scheduling.

[GumbyDamnit!]

Along with my first post, I think the Seton Hall game v. Wichita is huge this weekend in hopes of being able to land a 7th team.

I'm dreaming of 1991, when 7 of the 9 teams danced, and you didn't even have to be .500 in conference for an invite.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/con ... /1991.html

2 things....
1st off a pretty big difference between 16 conference and 18 conference games.
2nd off, a team that is 17-15 like Nova was in this day and age has no shot at making the tourney. The committee has totally changed.

If the entire conference is stacked with great teams then conf scheduling and finishing in the bottom half of the league will not hurt them as much as you think. If we were to change the outcomes of some games this year, as an example, you could see how it could easily happen. Let's take G'town as an example. Let's assume they had beaten both Maryland and Duke this year and had not lost to Radford (all were very possible). Let's also assume that X, Butler, Nova and Prov all were Top 20 teams (like they are now actually). Let's also assume that three other teams like MU, CU and SHU had very good preseasons, and ended up .500 in conference with a few really good wins. Fast forward to the conf season and Gtown finishes somewhere around 7 - 11 or 8-10 in the league, good for 8th place. Overall record of 20-13 with wins over at least 2 Top 10 teams, and add another 4 against Top 20 RPI in conference teams and that is 6 Top 25 RPI wins. Please tell me how the committee would leave a team like that out.

[DudeAnon]

I don't like this. The big east needs some perennial top teams more than it needs to be a jumble of chaotic good competition. Plus you say something like Wojo rebuild MU to what it used to be, well that's 8 straight ncaa appearances so we can't fall then. Leitao rebuild Depaul to what they were? Well then they'd need to be consistently in the running. Mullin having SJU where they were when he was there would have SJU constantly in the tournament. Then if you add that to keeping the currently good teams where they are it doesn't work out. No matter what somebody has to lose and with as many strong traditions as all of our schools that means that someone won't be "rebuilt to their former levels"

Fine, Marquette will be the cellar dweller then.

[FriarJ]

Obviously the BEAST has done great OOC this year, and is once again a top conference nationally. Additionally, recruiting seems to be going great at almost all schools for 2016 and 2017. My Musketeers have already seen an increase in recruit quality in the past 3 years, and I suspect that's been true at several other places as well.

So here's my dream scenario going forward: Mullin, Wojo, and Leito ALL rebuild their programs to their former levels. Villanova, Xavier, Butler, and Georgetown just keep on keepin' on. Seton Hall, Providence, and Creighton all keep their current coaches for the near future and recruit well enough for 2 of the 3 to be nationally relevant in any given year. YIKES! No easy games in the league schedule for anyone, ever! Gotta have a few breaks in the grind; even the "old" Big East had a few every year.

So is my dream scenario even possible? Certainly it's not highly likely given how many things have to happen simultaneously, but from the moment the new BEAST came together, I've been shouting about the recruiting potential of (1) no schools in the league that have D1 football to compete with, (2) generally big media markets with mostly "lesser" competition for fans, (3) a strong league member common identity around "values" (I'd say "Catholic" here except for Butler's presence), and (4) relatively strong academics. That's one heckuva sales message to high school kids AND to their parents, particularly if/when you've got a good coach delivering it. So I think that my dream scenario is a stretch, but at least somewhat possible.

So then what? Well, of course then the league would need to add a couple of lesser teams with (1), (2), (3), and (4) going for them! Welcome St. Louis, and/or Boston University, and/or Detroit, and/or Richmond, and/or Dayton. Put it down as a 3-5 year goal.

Boston University???

One of the following apply to you:
1. You live in Colorado
2. You live in Washington
3. You have a condition that enables you to have a medical card.
4. You are breaking the law

[MUBoxer]

Obviously the BEAST has done great OOC this year, and is once again a top conference nationally. Additionally, recruiting seems to be going great at almost all schools for 2016 and 2017. My Musketeers have already seen an increase in recruit quality in the past 3 years, and I suspect that's been true at several other places as well.

So here's my dream scenario going forward: Mullin, Wojo, and Leito ALL rebuild their programs to their former levels. Villanova, Xavier, Butler, and Georgetown just keep on keepin' on. Seton Hall, Providence, and Creighton all keep their current coaches for the near future and recruit well enough for 2 of the 3 to be nationally relevant in any given year. YIKES! No easy games in the league schedule for anyone, ever! Gotta have a few breaks in the grind; even the "old" Big East had a few every year.

So is my dream scenario even possible? Certainly it's not highly likely given how many things have to happen simultaneously, but from the moment the new BEAST came together, I've been shouting about the recruiting potential of (1) no schools in the league that have D1 football to compete with, (2) generally big media markets with mostly "lesser" competition for fans, (3) a strong league member common identity around "values" (I'd say "Catholic" here except for Butler's presence), and (4) relatively strong academics. That's one heckuva sales message to high school kids AND to their parents, particularly if/when you've got a good coach delivering it. So I think that my dream scenario is a stretch, but at least somewhat possible.

So then what? Well, of course then the league would need to add a couple of lesser teams with (1), (2), (3), and (4) going for them! Welcome St. Louis, and/or Boston University, and/or Detroit, and/or Richmond, and/or Dayton. Put it down as a 3-5 year goal.

Boston University???

One of the following apply to you:
1. You live in Colorado
2. You live in Washington
3. You have a condition that enables you to have a medical card.
4. You are breaking the law

You can live in DC, Oregon, Alaska or Portland, Maine now as well

[stever20]

Along with my first post, I think the Seton Hall game v. Wichita is huge this weekend in hopes of being able to land a 7th team.

I'm dreaming of 1991, when 7 of the 9 teams danced, and you didn't even have to be .500 in conference for an invite.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/con ... /1991.html

2 things....
1st off a pretty big difference between 16 conference and 18 conference games.
2nd off, a team that is 17-15 like Nova was in this day and age has no shot at making the tourney. The committee has totally changed.

If the entire conference is stacked with great teams then conf scheduling and finishing in the bottom half of the league will not hurt them as much as you think. If we were to change the outcomes of some games this year, as an example, you could see how it could easily happen. Let's take G'town as an example. Let's assume they had beaten both Maryland and Duke this year and had not lost to Radford (all were very possible). Let's also assume that X, Butler, Nova and Prov all were Top 20 teams (like they are now actually). Let's also assume that three other teams like MU, CU and SHU had very good preseasons, and ended up .500 in conference with a few really good wins. Fast forward to the conf season and Gtown finishes somewhere around 7 - 11 or 8-10 in the league, good for 8th place. Overall record of 20-13 with wins over at least 2 Top 10 teams, and add another 4 against Top 20 RPI in conference teams and that is 6 Top 25 RPI wins. Please tell me how the committee would leave a team like that out.

Your scenario is very possible(well except Georgetown would be 18-13 not 20-13).. But unfortunately, that's not the scenario the league is facing for THIS season.
Georgetown finishes 8-10 and they are 18-13 best case now.
MU did lose to Belmont and Iowa- and has a dreadful OOC schedule.
Creighton did lose 3 games- and has a dreadful OOC schedule
SHU has lost 2 games- and has a dreadful OOC schedule.

Georgetown may be able to finish 8-10 and make the tourney. None of the other teams have much of a shot.