DePaul is preferred over Dayton (it's official)

[Hoya Hoya Hoya]

At what point do the other presidents get DePaul to actually care about athletics? Seriously, that garbage AD needs to go. I'm sick of being associated with one of the worst programs in the country.

[friarbrown]

I posted this on a similar thread on VU Benchwarmers ...

Every conference needs teams to finish in the bottom of the conference. Every team cannot be good or the whole conference will finish 9-9 and only 1-2 teams will go to the tournament. Why do people care if DePaul sucks? Some team has to finish last. It would be nice if DePaul didn't lose all of their OOC games as that would help all BigEast team's RPI but that isn't realistic either. It is unlikely a team will be awesome out of conference and patsy once conference play starts.

The BigEast cannot have 10 good teams nor should we want that. I am happy with 5-6 tourney teams in a 10 team league with Villanova being one of them. There needs to be some relief once conference play starts, DePaul, and this year it looks like St. John's and Creighton will provide it although I suspect @Creighton will still be a tough game.

good post.

Indirectly speaking (not to mpwalsh8) it seems there is a growing sentiment by some on this board that the post-DMD Creighton teams are destined for perennial 7-10, even 9-10 status. That Creighton will join the bottom feeders club of the conference.

While last season was not pretty...I for one do not see 1 season setting a precedence for residence at the bottom. Butler had an atrocious 1st season. Creighton had an atrocious 2nd season. X had a middling 2nd season, but got hot late and rode that hot streak to the SS. We are merely at the 3rd season in.

It is a bit premature for allocating "residencies" to the new teams, although it appears that many readily assume Butler and X will be contenders at the Big-boy table and that Creighton will not be able to keep up. Even a few of the faithful have consigned the Jays to sit at the kiddie card table with Providence, DePaul, StJ, and Seton Hall-the normal bottom feeders. There is even a wee bit of sniping from our fellow newcomers,which is a bit surprising, given the 3 teams are all former midmajors. I suppose such is an attempt to establish a pedigree pecking order or the like.

I am merely suggesting that you do not "cast" your individual and group consensus' in quick-drying ferrocement. Think what you will, but don't act amazed or shocked when the Bluejays exceed your presumptions.

I didn't realize that Providence has been sitting at the kiddie table in the New Big East. Back to back tourney appearances and a top 15 team right now.

[billyjack]

I found another great word in this thread... "ferrocement"... must be part iron, part cement... probably just reinforced concrete... but a great word...

[NJRedman]

For me, this was an easy question.

DePaul is garbage. Like....wow. I knew they were bad, but I didn't know they were "Lose to Arkansas-Little Rock by 22 at home" bad until Saturday. But if DePaul could ever get their shit together....look out. Then they're the pre-eminent college basketball team in Chicago playing in a sparkling new arena in a recruiting hotbed. Their only local competition are a mid-table MVC newbie (Loyola), a mid-table Horizon League branch campus (UIC), "Chicago's Big Ten Team" that gets outdrawn by the visitors almost every home game (Northwestern), and a team that somehow is still a member of the WAC (Chicago State).

Meanwhile, Dayton went to the Elite 8 two years ago. They finished 2nd in the A-10 last year. They are AS GOOD AS THEY WILL EVER BE, and even at their peak they're still a nobody. Put more succinctly, Dayton's ceiling is DePaul's floor.

I'll take DePaul's potential (and comical dysfunction in the meantime) over Dayton's best-day irrelevance.

We're looking at DePauls floor and it's NOT an elite 8 run.

[Xudash]

For me, this was an easy question.

DePaul is garbage. Like....wow. I knew they were bad, but I didn't know they were "Lose to Arkansas-Little Rock by 22 at home" bad until Saturday. But if DePaul could ever get their shit together....look out. Then they're the pre-eminent college basketball team in Chicago playing in a sparkling new arena in a recruiting hotbed. Their only local competition are a mid-table MVC newbie (Loyola), a mid-table Horizon League branch campus (UIC), "Chicago's Big Ten Team" that gets outdrawn by the visitors almost every home game (Northwestern), and a team that somehow is still a member of the WAC (Chicago State).

Meanwhile, Dayton went to the Elite 8 two years ago. They finished 2nd in the A-10 last year. They are AS GOOD AS THEY WILL EVER BE, and even at their peak they're still a nobody. Put more succinctly, Dayton's ceiling is DePaul's floor.

I'll take DePaul's potential (and comical dysfunction in the meantime) over Dayton's best-day irrelevance.

It's obvious where I come out on this, but where I come out on this is obvious for your obvious reasons:

- Chicago market.
- McCormack Place.
- DePaul's size.
- DePaul's potential (regain its early 80's luster).

This isn't about having to disparage Dayton. This is all about understanding that DePaul will eventually fix what, in essence, is a personnel issue.

What is funny (crying while laughing funny) is that we all may regret DePaul getting its act together someday.

BTW, I read somewhere where Chris Mullin had a BUNCH of 4-star and 5-star prospects sitting in a sold-out MSG while watching the Johnnies dismantle the 'cuse last weekend. Think about where we might be heading: both programs in cities #1 and #2 ramping up their performance to their former glory levels while some large group of our remaining programs remain strong. Round-robin that. Who on God's earth would care about expansion at that point?

Back to DePaul: does its President see the unique opportunity to make a statement with bringing the new place online? Their retread was a huge mistake, IMHO. They should have gone for a young, hungry up-and-coming assistant coach.

[notkirkcameron]

For me, this was an easy question.

DePaul is garbage. Like....wow. I knew they were bad, but I didn't know they were "Lose to Arkansas-Little Rock by 22 at home" bad until Saturday. But if DePaul could ever get their shit together....look out. Then they're the pre-eminent college basketball team in Chicago playing in a sparkling new arena in a recruiting hotbed. Their only local competition are a mid-table MVC newbie (Loyola), a mid-table Horizon League branch campus (UIC), "Chicago's Big Ten Team" that gets outdrawn by the visitors almost every home game (Northwestern), and a team that somehow is still a member of the WAC (Chicago State).

Meanwhile, Dayton went to the Elite 8 two years ago. They finished 2nd in the A-10 last year. They are AS GOOD AS THEY WILL EVER BE, and even at their peak they're still a nobody. Put more succinctly, Dayton's ceiling is DePaul's floor.

I'll take DePaul's potential (and comical dysfunction in the meantime) over Dayton's best-day irrelevance.

We're looking at DePauls floor and it's NOT an elite 8 run.

Thank you for taking it so literally. The point is they're both more or less irrelevant.

DePaul is a dumpster fire and they're a national afterthought.
Dayton goes to the Elite 8, but they're STILL an afterthought outside of Southwest Ohio.

DePaul can only go up. Dayton can only go down.

[NJRedman]

For me, this was an easy question.

DePaul is garbage. Like....wow. I knew they were bad, but I didn't know they were "Lose to Arkansas-Little Rock by 22 at home" bad until Saturday. But if DePaul could ever get their shit together....look out. Then they're the pre-eminent college basketball team in Chicago playing in a sparkling new arena in a recruiting hotbed. Their only local competition are a mid-table MVC newbie (Loyola), a mid-table Horizon League branch campus (UIC), "Chicago's Big Ten Team" that gets outdrawn by the visitors almost every home game (Northwestern), and a team that somehow is still a member of the WAC (Chicago State).

Meanwhile, Dayton went to the Elite 8 two years ago. They finished 2nd in the A-10 last year. They are AS GOOD AS THEY WILL EVER BE, and even at their peak they're still a nobody. Put more succinctly, Dayton's ceiling is DePaul's floor.

I'll take DePaul's potential (and comical dysfunction in the meantime) over Dayton's best-day irrelevance.

We're looking at DePauls floor and it's NOT an elite 8 run.

Thank you for taking it so literally. The point is they're both more or less irrelevant.

DePaul is a dumpster fire and they're a national afterthought.
Dayton goes to the Elite 8, but they're STILL an afterthought outside of Southwest Ohio.

DePaul can only go up. Dayton can only go down.

Thats not true either, they still have a very good team and a FF run isn't out of the question. DePaul has to prove it can move up before giving them ANY benefit of the doubt. Dayton at least is showing reason for being considered. DePaul has won 36 conference games in 10 years with 20 of them coming from the first 3. The last seven years they won 16 conference games. Thats averaging just above 2 wins a season.

[Noonzy]

Who is Friar brown? A URI plant or a UConn plant?

[whiteandblue77]

This thread is a dumpster fire and needs to be deleted,it's an embarrassment to the conference and this board