Doug Gottlieb Is A f--- Boy

[NovaBall]

What have they done OOC though?

Do OOC games count more than in conference games?

Who cares if Doug Gottleib takes shots at Nova? He has been taking shots at all the catholic schools since he got the boot from ND. He took shots at Nova even en route to the final four a few years ago.

[PorthosPA]

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[XUFan09]

So you're saying the BE isn't an elite conference then. And if Xavier beats Nova this year, you've just crapped on that win(s) if they happen. Good job. Oklahoma can really shoot it, plus they can take you off the bounce with quick athletic guards. They're a bad match-up for most anyone, love how the sky is falling after one poor game 5,000 miles away in a crap arena.

You asked me about past outings with Villanova and Xavier. I answered about them, and yes, I don't think Villanova was elite last year, just very good. Sorry that that is not high enough praise, I guess? I only think Kentucky, WIsconsin, and Duke were elite teams next year, whereas Villanova would be included in the very next set. That's still damn good. Concerning the Big East, do you think it was elite last year? I sure don't. It was one really good team and a bunch of solid to good teams. It had good depth, but I wouldn't call it elite when only one team could consistently stay in the rankings.

This year is possibly different for the Big East. There are four ranked teams, two in the top 15, and Georgetown will probably end up ranked too. And the conference isn't bad in the bottom half, with some teams that could be solid. That's the sign of an elite conference. So, to sum it up: Not an elite conference last year but an elite conference this year.

And how have I crapped on a possible win against Villanova by saying that they are not elite? That's some pretty strong hyperbole. I may have slightly diminished the potential win by referring to them as very good instead of elite, but seriously, it wouldn't change much about the win if it happened. Also, I didn't really make any arguments about the Oklahoma game specifically. In fact, that disparity in three-point percentage I find to be highly improbable, something that would likely not be repeated if the game happened again. That game didn't change my opinion of Villanova one way or another. I thought they were really good before; I think they are really good now and just had a really rough game. Finally, this year, I really don't think there are any elite teams.

[Westbrook#36]

You asked me about past outings with Villanova and Xavier. No I didn't, you refer to them, I didn't ask. I answered about them, and yes, I don't think Villanova was elite last year, just very good. Sorry that that is not high enough praise, I guess? I guess being ranked in the top 10 for the past 2 years and earning a #1 and #2 seed isn't considered elite in your book, no big deal about 98% of the teams in the country would've loved to trade places with us the last 2 years. Agree to disagree. I only think Kentucky, WIsconsin, and Duke were elite teams next year, whereas Villanova would be included in the very next set. That's still damn good. Concerning the Big East, do you think it was elite last year? I sure don't. It was one really good team and a bunch of solid to good teams. It had good depth, but I wouldn't call it elite when only one team could consistently stay in the rankings.

This year is possibly different for the Big East. There are four ranked teams, two in the top 15, and Georgetown will probably end up ranked too. And the conference isn't bad in the bottom half, with some teams that could be solid. That's the sign of an elite conference. So, to sum it up: Not an elite conference last year but an elite conference this year. So if Nova finishes ahead of Xavier, again, this year and wins the BE then you'd considered them elite?

And how have I crapped on a possible win against Villanova by saying that they are not elite? That's some pretty strong hyperbole. Depends on what you think strong is, I think we have different definitions of strong. I think you might have slightly more than slightly diminished those wins if they happen. Sort of like chanting overrated at the other team at the end of a big win I may have slightly diminished the potential win by referring to them as very good instead of elite, but seriously, it wouldn't change much about the win if it happened. Also, I didn't really make any arguments about the Oklahoma game specifically. Correct you just made mention of match-ups being a problem and why they explained or contributed to certain losses, I just followed your lead and applied that to our game against Oklahoma. In fact, that disparity in three-point percentage I find to be highly improbable, something that would likely not be repeated if the game happened again. That game didn't change my opinion of Villanova one way or another. I thought they were really good before; I think they are really good now and just had a really rough game. Finally, this year, I really don't think there are any elite teams.

[Westbrook#36]

I can get saying Nova is not elite, depending on your definition of elite(meaning the creme de la creme). It's honestly splitting hairs, saying Nova is really really good but not elite, but make no mistake about our last 2 season were elite even if you say the team wasn't. Those teams were legit F4 contenders, just ran into a red hot eventual NC team and a really tough match-up.

As for our ooc since the beginning of the 13-14 season Nova is 32-2 in the ooc regular season. Those 2 losses? @ #2 Syracuse and just the other day to #6(and under rated)Oklahoma. That's it, again so we're clear, 32-2 ooc since the beginning of the 13-14 season with wins against #2 Kansas, #23 Iowa, #14 VCU, #19 Michigan, Syracuse, Illinois, Georgia Tech, Stanford, and not even mentioning our Big 5 games which aren't easy even if we make them look that way most of the time. Not to mention our 32-4 record in BE, so call it what you will, I'll call it pretty damn impressive.

[stever20]

I can get saying Nova is not elite, depending on your definition of elite(meaning the creme de la creme). It's honestly splitting hairs, saying Nova is really really good but not elite, but make no mistake about our last 2 season were elite even if you say the team wasn't. Those teams were legit F4 contenders, just ran into a red hot eventual NC team and a really tough match-up.

As for our ooc since the beginning of the 13-14 season Nova is 32-2 in the ooc regular season. Those 2 losses? @ #2 Syracuse and just the other day to #6(and under rated)Oklahoma. That's it, again so we're clear, 32-2 ooc since the beginning of the 13-14 season with wins against #2 Kansas, #23 Iowa, #14 VCU, #19 Michigan, Syracuse, Illinois, Georgia Tech, Stanford, and not even mentioning our Big 5 games which aren't easy even if we make them look that way most of the time. Not to mention our 32-4 record in BE, so call it what you will, I'll call it pretty damn impressive.

in college basketball though, you can't just look at the OOC record. its who you have played. And in the period you are talking about- Nova has only 4 top 50 wins based on where the team was end of year. 11 wins with teams ranked in Ken Pom 188 or worse in that period- with 3 more on the way this year.

question, why has Wright gone so soft on the schedule? Oklahoma and Virginia are great- but that's 2 games. Got 11 holes other places- and like this year, he's got 5 dogs. 2 are Big 5 opponents. but Delaware, Fairleigh Dickinson, and East Tennessee St? and then pretty poor exempt tournaments. this year Ga Tech and Stanford aren't good. next years tourney if memory serves me right is poor. and that makes the Gavitt games opponent of Nebraska so puzzling.

[XUFan09]

Simply put, we do have different ideas of elite, and Villanova doesn't meet mine. Mine is a really tough standard to meet that even damn good teams fall short of, so yes, to call my distinctions "crapping" on potential wins against Villanova is strong hyperbole. And since I said that I think there are no elite teams this year, I don't get your question about whether I'd think Villanova was elite if they finish ahead of Xavier and win the Big East this year. Since no teams are elite to me this year, how could one team become elite simply by finishing ahead of a very good team? It's possible for a conference to be elite without having elite teams. This year's Big East is likely going to be a good example of that.

[MUBoxer]

I guess being ranked in the top 10 for the past 2 years and earning a #1 and #2 seed isn't considered elite in your book, no big deal about 98% of the teams in the country would've loved to trade places with us the last 2 years. Agree to disagree.

I can think of 16 sweet teams from last year and 16 more the previous year that wouldn't want to trade places so it's actually about 95.2% of teams would like to switch places with you for sure. Then you have to figure in other upsets, like Wichita state was a one seed but like you didn't make the sweet 16, so I doubt they'd want to trade places and Kansas was a two seed as well so I don't think they'd want to trade places.

[BEhomer]

I can get saying Nova is not elite, depending on your definition of elite(meaning the creme de la creme). It's honestly splitting hairs, saying Nova is really really good but not elite, but make no mistake about our last 2 season were elite even if you say the team wasn't. Those teams were legit F4 contenders, just ran into a red hot eventual NC team and a really tough match-up.

As for our ooc since the beginning of the 13-14 season Nova is 32-2 in the ooc regular season. Those 2 losses? @ #2 Syracuse and just the other day to #6(and under rated)Oklahoma. That's it, again so we're clear, 32-2 ooc since the beginning of the 13-14 season with wins against #2 Kansas, #23 Iowa, #14 VCU, #19 Michigan, Syracuse, Illinois, Georgia Tech, Stanford, and not even mentioning our Big 5 games which aren't easy even if we make them look that way most of the time. Not to mention our 32-4 record in BE, so call it what you will, I'll call it pretty damn impressive.

very impressive numbers for sure. unlike stever's sample of OOC against kenpom top 10. that's why I can't take stever's posts seriously. it's all about numbers and stats. and numbers can be skewed to fit your argument. i wonder if he even watches any of these BE games. how about actual analysis of players and teams?

to me nova is the same team from last year that was good enough to earn a top seed. and they add to that a legitimate next level player in brunson. I think brunson is the missing piece from past nova teams. that player who can take his game to next level. i hope he grows into that player over the course of this season. if he does, nova fans have a lot to look forward to this post season.

[billyjack]

In 2014, Villanova played in the Atlantis.
In 2015, they played at Barclays vs Michigan and VCU, with Oregon there too. Michigan was overhyped, but they were ranked #18 or so. VCU was #14 or so. Oregon was a tourney team. They were at MSG for a game vs Illinois, which was also supposed to be good.
They play Syracuse every year.
Villanova has kept their Big Five opponents on their schedule.

And, ok, they have a couple of local cupcakes like every other team... at least they're usually locals like Delaware, Towson and FDU so opposing fans can get to the game... freakin Kansas beat Holy Cross last night and Notre Dame beat Stony Brook... poor Bryant had to truck over to South Bend recently, and I think Brown played at Indiana last year... Duke hosted Bryant, Siena and Yale this year.

The last thing I think of with Villanova is having a weak schedule.