Time to Drop the "New" From The Big East Article

[NovaBall]

I didn't mind playing nebraska this yr. got to play on campus, not too stressful a game, doesn't hurt the rpi. Nova already had oklahoma and Virginia and the preseason nit calendar end. Maybe next yr we play one of the top teams like gtown and xavier did this yr.

[stever20]

Stever being stever....

Th gavitt games are plenty equitable. Every team in the big ten is committed to play ten games. Sometimes we will get Maryland or Michigan or indiana or Iowa, other times we will get Nebraska or Illinois or rutgers or penn state.

The gavitt games. Re a tip off series. It's not intended to match our top 8 against their top 8, but rather a convenient scheduling alliance that can generate a little buZ and interest.

But Stever is Stever and will never quite understand...

WRONG. every team in the Big Ten is committed to play FOUR games out of the 8 years. So like after this year- we're seeing Maryland, Indiana, Michigan, Iowa 3 times.

[stever20]

I didn't mind playing nebraska this yr. got to play on campus, not too stressful a game, doesn't hurt the rpi. Nova already had oklahoma and Virginia and the preseason nit calendar end. Maybe next yr we play one of the top teams like gtown and xavier did this yr.

2 things-
1 it'll be on the road almost for sure next year
2 it'd have to be on Tuesday given the Charleston tournament starts on Thursday.

[Schickrateez]

It has always fascinated me how the (New) Big East seemed to become everyone's scapegoat for conference realignment. Sure, different parties have their own motives: the schools that the C7 left behind, the schools that wanted an invite to join the C7 and didn't get one, and of course ESPN for the Big East deciding to join with Fox. But, it seemed like the overall perception (outside of the parties above) was to be negative towards the Big East, as if this was all their fault. The rivalries that were lost, the teams that were deemed "losers" in the realignment game, etc. When the C7 decided to act, the damage had been done. Major programs had already left the conference for other conferences. If people "needed" to blame some one, it should have been placed on the programs that jumped ship, not on the C7 who were left in an untenable situation and did the best thing they could for their own survival. I know ESPN played a large part in shaping the narrative too. It does seem that the general public's perception is starting to change a bit, and people are allowing themselves to enjoy what the Big East (as it is now) has to offer. Ten like-minded schools, that are focused on basketball, with everyone striving/working towards being competitive on a national level...if you're a college basketball fan, what's not to like?

[MUBoxer]

It has always fascinated me how the (New) Big East seemed to become everyone's scapegoat for conference realignment. Sure, different parties have their own motives: the schools that the C7 left behind, the schools that wanted an invite to join the C7 and didn't get one, and of course ESPN for the Big East deciding to join with Fox. But, it seemed like the overall perception (outside of the parties above) was to be negative towards the Big East, as if this was all their fault. The rivalries that were lost, the teams that were deemed "losers" in the realignment game, etc. When the C7 decided to act, the damage had been done. Major programs had already left the conference for other conferences. If people "needed" to blame some one, it should have been placed on the programs that jumped ship, not on the C7 who were left in an untenable situation and did the best thing they could for their own survival. I know ESPN played a large part in shaping the narrative too. It does seem that the general public's perception is starting to change a bit, and people are allowing themselves to enjoy what the Big East (as it is now) has to offer. Ten like-minded schools, that are focused on basketball, with everyone striving/working towards being competitive on a national level...if you're a college basketball fan, what's not to like?

+1 I distribute fault like this: WVU first followed by Pitt Cuse and ND. Louisville, UConn, Cinci, USF and Rutgers all take some fault for not holding a higher standard for the football schools they accepted only temple was decent for the basketball schools as well. It's funny I have a old Facebook post that came up today from 2011 when WVU announced they'd leave followed by Pitt and Cuse and I predicted the big east schools then (only Dayton over creighton sorry Jays).

[ChelseaFriar]

It has always fascinated me how the (New) Big East seemed to become everyone's scapegoat for conference realignment. Sure, different parties have their own motives: the schools that the C7 left behind, the schools that wanted an invite to join the C7 and didn't get one, and of course ESPN for the Big East deciding to join with Fox. But, it seemed like the overall perception (outside of the parties above) was to be negative towards the Big East, as if this was all their fault. The rivalries that were lost, the teams that were deemed "losers" in the realignment game, etc. When the C7 decided to act, the damage had been done. Major programs had already left the conference for other conferences. If people "needed" to blame some one, it should have been placed on the programs that jumped ship, not on the C7 who were left in an untenable situation and did the best thing they could for their own survival. I know ESPN played a large part in shaping the narrative too. It does seem that the general public's perception is starting to change a bit, and people are allowing themselves to enjoy what the Big East (as it is now) has to offer. Ten like-minded schools, that are focused on basketball, with everyone striving/working towards being competitive on a national level...if you're a college basketball fan, what's not to like?

+1 I distribute fault like this: WVU first followed by Pitt Cuse and ND. Louisville, UConn, Cinci, USF and Rutgers all take some fault for not holding a higher standard for the football schools they accepted only temple was decent for the basketball schools as well. It's funny I have a old Facebook post that came up today from 2011 when WVU announced they'd leave followed by Pitt and Cuse and I predicted the big east schools then (only Dayton over creighton sorry Jays).

Gotta give Boston College a look. The original Judas.

[MUBoxer]

It has always fascinated me how the (New) Big East seemed to become everyone's scapegoat for conference realignment. Sure, different parties have their own motives: the schools that the C7 left behind, the schools that wanted an invite to join the C7 and didn't get one, and of course ESPN for the Big East deciding to join with Fox. But, it seemed like the overall perception (outside of the parties above) was to be negative towards the Big East, as if this was all their fault. The rivalries that were lost, the teams that were deemed "losers" in the realignment game, etc. When the C7 decided to act, the damage had been done. Major programs had already left the conference for other conferences. If people "needed" to blame some one, it should have been placed on the programs that jumped ship, not on the C7 who were left in an untenable situation and did the best thing they could for their own survival. I know ESPN played a large part in shaping the narrative too. It does seem that the general public's perception is starting to change a bit, and people are allowing themselves to enjoy what the Big East (as it is now) has to offer. Ten like-minded schools, that are focused on basketball, with everyone striving/working towards being competitive on a national level...if you're a college basketball fan, what's not to like?

+1 I distribute fault like this: WVU first followed by Pitt Cuse and ND. Louisville, UConn, Cinci, USF and Rutgers all take some fault for not holding a higher standard for the football schools they accepted only temple was decent for the basketball schools as well. It's funny I have a old Facebook post that came up today from 2011 when WVU announced they'd leave followed by Pitt and Cuse and I predicted the big east schools then (only Dayton over creighton sorry Jays).

Gotta give Boston College a look. The original Judas.

That original judas made way for a much better jesuit school to come into the big east... not naming names but I'd say this jesuit school was an upgrade over the BC.

[NovaBall]

Stever being stever....

Th gavitt games are plenty equitable. Every team in the big ten is committed to play ten games. Sometimes we will get Maryland or Michigan or indiana or Iowa, other times we will get Nebraska or Illinois or rutgers or penn state.

The gavitt games. Re a tip off series. It's not intended to match our top 8 against their top 8, but rather a convenient scheduling alliance that can generate a little buZ and interest.

But Stever is Stever and will never quite understand...

WRONG. every team in the Big Ten is committed to play FOUR games out of the 8 years. So like after this year- we're seeing Maryland, Indiana, Michigan, Iowa 3 times.

Sorry, that was a typo. As the gavitt series is only8 yrs, obviously no team is committed to ten games.

Every big ten team is committed to play in at least half these years. There are 8 games per year, so 64 total games among the 14 teams. So 56 of the games are going allocated among the 14 teams committed slots. Leaving only 8 wildcard games. Guessing rutgers gets a fifth game, but just as likely Maryland does too to try to play up the east coast thing. Other 6 games could come from anywhere among the other 12 teams. Some may be against penn state or nebraska, while others may be agains Michigan or Ohio state. Or maybe we catch Illinois in a good year, or Iowa in a bad yr. either way there is no conspiracy to give us bad games.

The gavitt games are a great set up, and of course a jealous troll like yourself cannot see it

[stever20]

Stever being stever....

Th gavitt games are plenty equitable. Every team in the big ten is committed to play ten games. Sometimes we will get Maryland or Michigan or indiana or Iowa, other times we will get Nebraska or Illinois or rutgers or penn state.

The gavitt games. Re a tip off series. It's not intended to match our top 8 against their top 8, but rather a convenient scheduling alliance that can generate a little buZ and interest.

But Stever is Stever and will never quite understand...

WRONG. every team in the Big Ten is committed to play FOUR games out of the 8 years. So like after this year- we're seeing Maryland, Indiana, Michigan, Iowa 3 times.

Sorry, that was a typo. As the gavitt series is only8 yrs, obviously no team is committed to ten games.

Every big ten team is committed to play in at least half these years. There are 8 games per year, so 64 total games among the 14 teams. So 56 of the games are going allocated among the 14 teams committed slots. Leaving only 8 wildcard games. Guessing rutgers gets a fifth game, but just as likely Maryland does too to try to play up the east coast thing. Other 6 games could come from anywhere among the other 12 teams. Some may be against penn state or nebraska, while others may be agains Michigan or Ohio state. Or maybe we catch Illinois in a good year, or Iowa in a bad yr. either way there is no conspiracy to give us bad games.

The gavitt games are a great set up, and of course a jealous troll like yourself cannot see it

lol. jealous troll? Sorry- but a setup where you are only guaranteed to see the top teams only 4/8 years isn't great. It's very similar to the old SEC/Big East challenge. Do you REALLY think Michigan St(with their Champions game on Tuesday of the week every time) is EVER going to want to play a top team? The Gavitt games are a very good thing, but no where near the home run that folks make it out to be.

[Edrick]

Who cares if it's new or not? Categorically, the first three years of this configuration are AT LEAST the equal of the three years preceding it. Christ, both Butler and Xavier will probably be in the Top 20 next week. Guess what. The new part that you're defensive about is largely why the metrics look as they do.... Simply, they're performing better than UConn, Syracuse, et al. And teams like St Johns is even balanced by subtracting the garbage like Rutgers. It's an elite, top 3-5 annual league: own it.