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Re: Fire JT3?

Postby Themayor » Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:13 am

I don't see any reason to fire JT3 he's OK Coach he will never be a great coach. I think he needs to get his head out of his ass when he's talking about this year's schedule and how his team will perform. Only one person from Georgetown looked like they are ready for this game players and coaches included in that was Bradley Hayes, the little used third string center for the past three seasons. Everyone else looked to me like they were standing around watching the game for most of the game is still playing the game for all of the game. Let's hope they're ready for Maryland Tuesday night and they don't get themselves blown out.
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Re: Fire JT3?

Postby Bluejay » Mon Nov 16, 2015 3:17 pm

My problem with JT3 is that it is insane to run the Princeton offense when you have superior talent ant athleticism. It is a system designed for schools that are usually battling against more athletic and talented opponents. By running the Princeton offense, Georgetown essentially gives up the advantages that Big John spent years creating.

On some level it reminds me of St Johns under Lavin. Lavin recruited uber athletes that couldn't shoot and then put them in a half court defense with a slow it down offense instead of having them play a full court press on defense and an uptempo, running offense.

In both cases, it seems like recruiting is not on the same page with the actual systems being run.
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Re: Fire JT3?

Postby NovaBall » Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:57 pm

really don't mind the offense he runs. He doesn't have superior athleticism most of the time. He has superior size and skill, but not pure athleticism where he can out run other teams (although they could definitely out run Radford). His money talent are those 6-7 to 6-11 big guys and his modified Princeton offense is good for them because it slows it down and gets them into the half court set where they can capitalize on the superior size.

Just my thoughts on that criticism.
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Re: Fire JT3?

Postby BigmanU » Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:33 pm

Hoya Hoya Hoya wrote:I was at the game on Saturday and It literally took until now to process that loss. Here is the simple truth: JT3 has a job for life at Georgetown. Until he wants to retire he will be coaching there.


I was there also. Initially pissed but had a busy weekend away from CBB let me clear my head. Team is made up of DSR (no excuse to start the game this slow), little used Hayes, Peak & Copeland who now need to be more than complementary pieces this year and Freshman. It looks no one knew there role when the bullets started flying. This will be corrected.

3 X BEast Champs & BEast COY (2013) don't grow on trees. For those who want him fired, who are you replacing him with?
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Re: Fire JT3?

Postby SJHooper » Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:21 am

While it's too early this year to say anything about his job security, I do have to admit that G'Town has not lived up to its name in the NBE. In the old Big East G'Town was practically always ranked and a clear elite program. Not seeing them ranked is weird and they seem to have taken a fairly big step back. I don't know what it is. Of course you could argue the new 10 team format where there are really no doormats has an effect. It's hard to get and stay ranked if you aren't bulldozing your way through a conference. Here, it's very tough to do that and only Nova has shown that capability. But at the same time, G'Town was supposed to be right up there with Nova if not better some years. When the NBE formed, I knew we wouldn't have many ranked teams anymore but G'Town should still be good enough to float around the 17-25 range for most if not all of the year. Having ranked teams is very important, because it makes for must see TV, adds drama, and gives bubble teams in the NBE 2 (maybe 3 in BET) to add a top 25 win to the resume and punch their ticket.

G'Town has just looked more pedestrian in recent years. I remember seeing my Johnnies blow them out by 20 a few years back at the Garden. I was very happy, but something in my gut just felt like it wasn't supposed to happen. Just a weird feeling. I really hope G'Town can get back to being a constant top 25 team, because Nova can't be the only team getting national respect and coverage. Until teams like G'Town, Marquette, PC, SJ, Butler step up, we will be seen as a 1 team league much like the AAC with UConn.
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Re: Fire JT3?

Postby BigmanU » Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:39 am

SJHooper wrote:While it's too early this year to say anything about his job security, I do have to admit that G'Town has not lived up to its name in the NBE. In the old Big East G'Town was practically always ranked and a clear elite program. Not seeing them ranked is weird and they seem to have taken a fairly big step back. I don't know what it is. Of course you could argue the new 10 team format where there are really no doormats has an effect. It's hard to get and stay ranked if you aren't bulldozing your way through a conference. Here, it's very tough to do that and only Nova has shown that capability. But at the same time, G'Town was supposed to be right up there with Nova if not better some years. When the NBE formed, I knew we wouldn't have many ranked teams anymore but G'Town should still be good enough to float around the 17-25 range for most if not all of the year. Having ranked teams is very important, because it makes for must see TV, adds drama, and gives bubble teams in the NBE 2 (maybe 3 in BET) to add a top 25 win to the resume and punch their ticket.

G'Town has just looked more pedestrian in recent years. I remember seeing my Johnnies blow them out by 20 a few years back at the Garden. I was very happy, but something in my gut just felt like it wasn't supposed to happen. Just a weird feeling. I really hope G'Town can get back to being a constant top 25 team, because Nova can't be the only team getting national respect and coverage. Until teams like G'Town, Marquette, PC, SJ, Butler step up, we will be seen as a 1 team league much like the AAC with UConn.


You mean constantly ranked in the top 25 like last year and finished 2nd to Nova in the BEast to boot. Sorry, I'm confused about the point your trying to make.
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Re: Fire JT3?

Postby Burrito » Tue Nov 17, 2015 7:16 pm

JT3's best assistant for recruiting left after the Otto Porter class. The next two recruiting classes were pretty mediocre (now Seniors & Juniors), which didn't time well with entering the NBE. Recruiting has since picked up.

The loss vs Radford the other night was pretty bad. The Hoyas beat that team by 27 points last year. And I like this year's roster better (no more Josh Smith). Hopefully they put in a better effort against Maryland (and play some defense).
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Re: Fire JT3?

Postby SJHooper » Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:07 pm

G'Town was ranked last year barely in the top 25 (they used to be top 15 pretty easily). Other years they haven't been at all. It's not saying G'Town is bad...they are still among the best Big East teams. But they just don't seem to be elite on the national stage anymore. That doesn't mean I don't think they can regain it.
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Re: Fire JT3?

Postby Red Rooster » Tue Nov 17, 2015 9:30 pm

BigmanU wrote:
SJHooper wrote:While it's too early this year to say anything about his job security, I do have to admit that G'Town has not lived up to its name in the NBE. In the old Big East G'Town was practically always ranked and a clear elite program. Not seeing them ranked is weird and they seem to have taken a fairly big step back. I don't know what it is. Of course you could argue the new 10 team format where there are really no doormats has an effect. It's hard to get and stay ranked if you aren't bulldozing your way through a conference. Here, it's very tough to do that and only Nova has shown that capability. But at the same time, G'Town was supposed to be right up there with Nova if not better some years. When the NBE formed, I knew we wouldn't have many ranked teams anymore but G'Town should still be good enough to float around the 17-25 range for most if not all of the year. Having ranked teams is very important, because it makes for must see TV, adds drama, and gives bubble teams in the NBE 2 (maybe 3 in BET) to add a top 25 win to the resume and punch their ticket.

G'Town has just looked more pedestrian in recent years. I remember seeing my Johnnies blow them out by 20 a few years back at the Garden. I was very happy, but something in my gut just felt like it wasn't supposed to happen. Just a weird feeling. I really hope G'Town can get back to being a constant top 25 team, because Nova can't be the only team getting national respect and coverage. Until teams like G'Town, Marquette, PC, SJ, Butler step up, we will be seen as a 1 team league much like the AAC with UConn.


You mean constantly ranked in the top 25 like last year and finished 2nd to Nova in the BEast to boot.


He has a rather peculiar obsession with rankings.

Sorry, I'm confused about the point your trying to make.


Neither does he.
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Re: Fire JT3?

Postby SJHooper » Thu Nov 19, 2015 8:25 am

Rankings are important. They are what make you relevant nationally and make casual fans watch your games getting the brand out there. It's way more important than you let on. All I said was that G'Town used to be a lock to be ranked. Now they have been ranked once in the last 3 years. Yes they may pop up on occasion in the top 25 like SJ was twice in the Lavin era getting as low as 15th, but we didn't have the staying power. G'Town has the same issue. I obviously know G'Town is a great program but for many nationally, not seeing a team ranked would lead them to believe they are fairly irrelevant. It's wrong but perception is reality.
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