BE Games Mon 11/16 - 2g - Umbc-SJU, IUPUI-Marquette...

[MUBoxer]

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings/_/year/2010/week/1/seasontype/2

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I don't know where this circular logic is going but I don't know how it's possible to ever reach the conclusion that something wouldn't have happened with one person, if it did both before and after --- but whatev.

Touché always forget about the coaches poll. Never really check that one.

Idk who's saying something wouldn't have happened with someone if it already happened. I was saying something that already happened wouldn't have happened without someone. So maybe we're talking about a different poster.

[NJRedman]

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings/_/year/2010/week/1/seasontype/2

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I don't know where this circular logic is going but I don't know how it's possible to ever reach the conclusion that something wouldn't have happened with one person, if it did both before and after --- but whatev.

Touché always forget about the coaches poll. Never really check that one.

Idk who's saying something wouldn't have happened with someone if it already happened. I was saying something that already happened wouldn't have happened without someone. So maybe we're talking about a different poster.

But it did happen and Belmont doesn't have a Stevenson. I don't get the point you're trying to make Belmont now is not like Butler then. Butler had the great coach, Belmont doesn't.

[MUBoxer]

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings/_/year/2010/week/1/seasontype/2

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I don't know where this circular logic is going but I don't know how it's possible to ever reach the conclusion that something wouldn't have happened with one person, if it did both before and after --- but whatev.

Touché always forget about the coaches poll. Never really check that one.

Idk who's saying something wouldn't have happened with someone if it already happened. I was saying something that already happened wouldn't have happened without someone. So maybe we're talking about a different poster.

But it did happen and Belmont doesn't have a Stevenson. I don't get the point you're trying to make Belmont now is not like Butler then. Butler had the great coach, Belmont doesn't.

That they both were low majors, same type of talent in the conference, etc. but then the rationale was that Belmont made the back to back finals so they're much better but I responded that Stevens got them those just like curry got Davidson the elite 8, that's catching magic for a month that's doesn't mean that they were somehow more of a powerhouse in a low major conference. That's it I was standing by my comparisons and trying to say that those two finals appearances didn't somehow make butler or Davidson etc super different.

[NJRedman]

Touché always forget about the coaches poll. Never really check that one.

Idk who's saying something wouldn't have happened with someone if it already happened. I was saying something that already happened wouldn't have happened without someone. So maybe we're talking about a different poster.

But it did happen and Belmont doesn't have a Stevenson. I don't get the point you're trying to make Belmont now is not like Butler then. Butler had the great coach, Belmont doesn't.

That they both were low majors, same type of talent in the conference, etc. but then the rationale was that Belmont made the back to back finals so they're much better but I responded that Stevens got them those just like curry got Davidson the elite 8, that's catching magic for a month that's doesn't mean that they were somehow more of a powerhouse in a low major conference. That's it I was standing by my comparisons and trying to say that those two finals appearances didn't somehow make butler or Davidson etc super different.

But back to back isn't catching lightning in a bottle, it's proof that a team is for real.

[GumbyDamnit!]

I'd agree with that. They likely would still be an elite program as they had like 4 or 5 Final fours before coach K but I'd agree they wouldn't be where they are at today. Just like Marquette wouldn't be Marquette without Al Mcguire, Georgetown without John Thompson Depaul without Meyer, SJU without Rollie, etc etc.

MUB, I know MU wasn't in the BE yet, but... Rollie @ SJU? BLASPHEMY!!!!

[MUBoxer]

I'd agree with that. They likely would still be an elite program as they had like 4 or 5 Final fours before coach K but I'd agree they wouldn't be where they are at today. Just like Marquette wouldn't be Marquette without Al Mcguire, Georgetown without John Thompson Depaul without Meyer, SJU without Rollie, etc etc.

MUB, I know MU wasn't in the BE yet, but... Rollie @ SJU? BLASPHEMY!!!!

Oh crap can't believe I screwed that one up just one of those days. Lmao

[MUBoxer]

But back to back isn't catching lightning in a bottle, it's proof that a team is for real.

I see so you'll cede that SJU wasn't as for real as UConn and Marquette in 2011 because the two last teams in the conference caught lightning and you guys fell flat? Come on we both know you guys were better in 2011. Its March madness not March methodically eliminate the lesser teams so the best team wins. Ohio and FGCU aren't great programs but that sweet 16 makes them better than Belmont who is always good? Nope they got the right matchup (lol that it was GTown for both of them).

[stever20]

But back to back isn't catching lightning in a bottle, it's proof that a team is for real.

I see so you'll cede that SJU wasn't as for real as UConn and Marquette in 2011 because the two last teams in the conference caught lightning and you guys fell flat? Come on we both know you guys were better in 2011. Its March madness not March methodically eliminate the lesser teams so the best team wins. Ohio and FGCU aren't great programs but that sweet 16 makes them better than Belmont who is always good? Nope they got the right matchup (lol that it was GTown for both of them).

The thing though is, the tournament is how teams are remembered largely. Butler remembered a whole lot differently than Xavier or Gonzaga because of what they did in the tourney.

[DudeAnon]

But back to back isn't catching lightning in a bottle, it's proof that a team is for real.

I see so you'll cede that SJU wasn't as for real as UConn and Marquette in 2011 because the two last teams in the conference caught lightning and you guys fell flat? Come on we both know you guys were better in 2011. Its March madness not March methodically eliminate the lesser teams so the best team wins. Ohio and FGCU aren't great programs but that sweet 16 makes them better than Belmont who is always good? Nope they got the right matchup (lol that it was GTown for both of them).

The thing though is, the tournament is how teams are remembered largely. Butler remembered a whole lot differently than Xavier or Gonzaga because of what they did in the tourney.

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Yeah, that is nonsense. The tourney is a huge contribution to a program's reputation but it negate everything else. I would put Xavier, Butler and Gonzaga all on similar footings and they all have totally different resumes.

[stever20]

Yeah, that is nonsense. The tourney is a huge contribution to a program's reputation but it negate everything else. I would put Xavier, Butler and Gonzaga all on similar footings and they all have totally different resumes.

You might, but just realistically, Butler is viewed much differently than Xavier or Gonzaga to most folks because of the tourney.