This is NOT GOOD!

[Xuperman]

Yeah because Mickey Williams is just a no name high school recruit right now. You just wait till him an his millions of followers get that college platform to market them. Social media allows you to market anything, if that means these kids put out trick shot videos I don't think you fully grasp the amount of money they can make. It's very old world to purely think about the marketing impact of billboards as commercials.

IDK who he is, but if trick shots are his thing, isn't he already making money? I mean YouTube and TikTok pay good money based on views. If he has millions of followers he's probably already cashing in and will only make more when he hits College. No problem, good for him.

But again, the Universities must place an overwhelming value to THEIR Name and Likeness when a player uses it for personal profit. Regardless in what manner or form.

I think we all can agree that the Lawyers are going to cash in BIG TIME until the complicated legalities of this run it's course.

[GumbyDamnit!]

I'm not worried. I think programs who are most successful are ones with continuity. A player here or there can help, but it won't be like professional sports free agency. As mentioned by Hall (great post), there are only 13 spots and Cal and K seem to like to hunt 5 stars. And we've all seen that some players can step up in class and do really well (Max Strus) while others struggle (Joe Cremo). So it's not like coaches are going to just day trade players. In many cases I think it's just not a great fit and both sides know it (Javon Quinnerly, Jordan Tucker when he was at Duke, etc.). Cal is getting Davion Mintz, not Marcus Z. I'm sure Mac isn't losing sleep over it and probably wants to see Davion do well. Same with Jay and JQ.

I'm actually glad to see the players now have as much leverage as a coach on where they play. It's perfectly fine for a coach to bolt without issue but a player with no path to PT, has to leave and sit for a year? That didn't seem fair either. I agree that if anything, we'll end up on the winning side of this decision.

[MUBoxer]

Yeah because Mickey Williams is just a no name high school recruit right now. You just wait till him an his millions of followers get that college platform to market them. Social media allows you to market anything, if that means these kids put out trick shot videos I don't think you fully grasp the amount of money they can make. It's very old world to purely think about the marketing impact of billboards as commercials.

IDK who he is, but if trick shots are his thing, isn't he already making money? I mean YouTube and TikTok pay good money based on views. If he has millions of followers he's probably already cashing in and will only make more when he hits College. No problem, good for him.

But again, the Universities must place an overwhelming value to THEIR Name and Likeness when a player uses it for personal profit. Regardless in what manner or form.

I think we all can agree that the Lawyers are going to cash in BIG TIME until the complicated legalities of this run it's course.

You gotta get up to date on the top recruits.

https://247sports.com/Player/Mikey-Williams-46085748/

But going back to Lebron (and even farther) before he had social media to leverage and such he was driving around in a Hummer making stacks of cash. There's always a few every year that can off the top of my head Okafor, Parker, Wiggins, Davis, Irving, Wall, the list goes on. In fact some don't even need to be great at Basketball and just athletic like Maclung was. And no they couldn't leverage those videos for money because the NCAA decided with a kicker at UCF who was monetizing a YouTube channel where he literally just made ridiculous kicks that he was taking advantage of his platform as a student athlete to make money even though he didn't market it using UCF attire, facilities, or use his social media accounts to tell people to follow it.

I agree universities need to leverage their name to get a share if the player uses facilities or is trying to negotiate a share of university jersey sale profits by adding their name on back but really the NIL money for players will be in video games and social media. If Joe's used car lot wants to pay them 500 to say I like these cars go for it but that's not what the suit is about in its essence.

[DudeAnon]

The end game is ideally a union for the college athletes just like every other professional league in the USA. This would allow us to negotiate particular points to preserve the integrity of the sport (transfer rule, equal payment offerings etc.) vs the desires of the union. College athletics has been absolute goldmine for those in charge for a long time, it was inevitable that it would start to tilt the other way. Hopefully both sides can be mature and debate like adults instead of relying on the courts to make the rules.

[MUBoxer]

The end game is ideally a union for the college athletes just like every other professional league in the USA. This would allow us to negotiate particular points to preserve the integrity of the sport (transfer rule, equal payment offerings etc.) vs the desires of the union. College athletics has been absolute goldmine for those in charge for a long time, it was inevitable that it would start to tilt the other way. Hopefully both sides can be mature and debate like adults instead of relying on the courts to make the rules.

As much as I'm pro NIL I'm absolutely against unionized college athletes And I'm very pro union in general. These are not professional athletes. There's viable alternatives to going to school to play basketball, if you're that concerned with money and that unappealing of a person that you can't make good money with NIL then maybe just go to the GLeague, or overseas. Don't bankrupt non P6 schools.

[DudeAnon]

The end game is ideally a union for the college athletes just like every other professional league in the USA. This would allow us to negotiate particular points to preserve the integrity of the sport (transfer rule, equal payment offerings etc.) vs the desires of the union. College athletics has been absolute goldmine for those in charge for a long time, it was inevitable that it would start to tilt the other way. Hopefully both sides can be mature and debate like adults instead of relying on the courts to make the rules.

As much as I'm pro NIL I'm absolutely against unionized college athletes And I'm very pro union in general. These are not professional athletes. There's viable alternatives to going to school to play basketball, if you're that concerned with money and that unappealing of a person that you can't make good money with NIL then maybe just go to the GLeague, or overseas. Don't bankrupt non P6 schools.

They are professional in all but name. If they aren't professional, then why are the coaches and everyone else who works in college athletics professionals?

[gtmoBlue]

The transfer rule is a good thing. s

As for NIL... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUzNQ1f3hVs

NIL does not affect all football/Basketball players. It will only affect the star players and at most the top 10-15% of players.
That means the top 8-12 football players and 1-3 basketball players per team/per year.
Perhaps Duke/UK will have 4-5, but the majority of teams will have 1-3 players who will make money (unless you have a
Kobe Paras with 300K followers on social media).

The Marco Rubio Bill says he will support whatever the NCAA comes up with.

The NCAA Bill prohibits use of university marks, University names-team names, campus locales, use of uni's, equipment,
gear, buildings, university events, etc.
Prohibits use of anything university AND prohibits signing with university sponsors (banks, suppliers, shoe companies, uni companies, etc.)
Practically limits athletes to contracting with the small fry businesses, signing autographs, holding independent summer camps, and soliticizing
donations for charities. Universities and the NCAA maintain control!

Gonzalez Bill - NIL only... is a great start. Of these 3 bills it is the most fair and removes most restrictions against players.
Would be governed by the Fed Trade Commission, not the U's or the NCAA. Univ's and NCAA can be held accountable for interferences/tampering.
Athlete's can contract with clothing, shoe, gaming companies, or any other company. Athlete's not employees of universities.
Could have 3rd party oversight (Nat'l Collegiate Players Association). Defines: "Booster" and penalizes under the table payments by such persons
/ companies.

Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith, who led the group that produced the recommendations approved by the Board of Governors, has said there will be no caps on how much an athlete can earn.

Still, the issue of a possible antitrust exemption for the NCAA has been raised because some states suspect the NCAA will use “guardrails” to put limits on athletes and their ability to maximize their earning potential in a free market.

Gonzalez said the idea of an antitrust exemption is a non-starter.

“That wouldn’t pass,” he said. “It’s legislatively impossible right now.”

Congress’ primary focus is to set up a general framework that can evolve over time. He said it’s important to pass a bill to avoid a situation where a high school athlete compares and contrasts states’ different NIL laws while choosing a college.

“We believe a federal law is what’s appropriate to preempt all the state-by-state chaos,” Gonzalez said. “We all know it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to have a high school student looking at different state legislatures and saying ‘I like Florida’s law better than Oklahoma’s law, so maybe I’ll go to the University of Miami.’

“If you get into a federal standard, you clean that up for the athletes, you make it simpler. It levels the field for all of college sports so no matter what state you’re in, you play by the same rules, which in theory means you have equal opportunity inside of that.”

Among key points addressed in a federal law would be establishing that college athletes are not employees of their school, protecting the integrity of recruiting and the transfer portal and punishing bad actors who turn NIL into a pay-for-play system.

Gonzalez said he also believes independent oversight of the entire process is necessary with representation for the interests of athletes, schools and the outside entities that would make deals with athletes. The oversight body would provide reports to Congress to show how the NIL issue is playing out.

Gonzalez, a former football player for Ohio State and the Indianapolis Colts, said both parties and members of the House and Senate agree legislation is needed.

The Blumenthal-Booker bill "The Athlete's Bill of Rights" is the shit. It is a complete package bill covering Gonzalez's NIL, plus new extended eligibility for athletes to complete their degree, has a provision for extended medical care for collegiate sports injuries, and a provision for football and basketball players to gain profit sharing of Football/Basketball revenues. Whenever it is passed either in 2021 or 2022, will be the game changer.

[MUBoxer]

They are professional in all but name. If they aren't professional, then why are the coaches and everyone else who works in college athletics professionals?

1) So as someone who paid 150k to go to that institution does that make me a part owner of the team? Does that mean I went to Marquette's training camp but never showed up for basketball days? Where's their rent and tuition since they're just employees like everyone else they should be paying the same rates, I mean the pro teams don't even hook the players up with fancy housing and meal plans. They can have all the independent money they want but they are not professionals, they're students, attending class, have to make grades (albeit easier ones) to gain admission, and they get scholarships meal plans and housing like every other student. The pay from the school and is in that. Want to be a professional go be a pro but learn how to pay rent, cook meals, etc. When I was still boxing I'd have taken the first route over making a few hundred for getting my head punched in to pay tuition and rent and groceries.

2) are high school athletes pros in all but name because their coaches are professionals? AAU?

3) If a union is started who do you think runs it? A bunch of small schools simply fielding a team at a loss to get some school spirit and tradition out there? Or do you think it's the massive schools who can get into bidding wars for signing recruits + shoe deals etc? If you think it's the first choice you've got your head in the sand.

[MUBoxer]

The transfer rule is a good thing. s

As for NIL... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUzNQ1f3hVs

NIL does not affect all football/Basketball players. It will only affect the star players and at most the top 10-15% of players.
That means the top 8-12 football players and 1-3 basketball players per team/per year.
Perhaps Duke/UK will have 4-5, but the majority of teams will have 1-3 players who will make money (unless you have a
Kobe Paras with 300K followers on social media).

The Marco Rubio Bill says he will support whatever the NCAA comes up with.

The NCAA Bill prohibits use of university marks, University names-team names, campus locales, use of uni's, equipment,
gear, buildings, university events, etc.
Prohibits use of anything university AND prohibits signing with university sponsors (banks, suppliers, shoe companies, uni companies, etc.)
Practically limits athletes to contracting with the small fry businesses, signing autographs, holding independent summer camps, and soliticizing
donations for charities. Universities and the NCAA maintain control!

Gonzalez Bill - NIL only... is a great start. Of these 3 bills it is the most fair and removes most restrictions against players.
Would be governed by the Fed Trade Commission, not the U's or the NCAA. Univ's and NCAA can be held accountable for interferences/tampering.
Athlete's can contract with clothing, shoe, gaming companies, or any other company. Athlete's not employees of universities.
Could have 3rd party oversight (Nat'l Collegiate Players Association). Defines: "Booster" and penalizes under the table payments by such persons
/ companies.

Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith, who led the group that produced the recommendations approved by the Board of Governors, has said there will be no caps on how much an athlete can earn.

Still, the issue of a possible antitrust exemption for the NCAA has been raised because some states suspect the NCAA will use “guardrails” to put limits on athletes and their ability to maximize their earning potential in a free market.

Gonzalez said the idea of an antitrust exemption is a non-starter.

“That wouldn’t pass,” he said. “It’s legislatively impossible right now.”

Congress’ primary focus is to set up a general framework that can evolve over time. He said it’s important to pass a bill to avoid a situation where a high school athlete compares and contrasts states’ different NIL laws while choosing a college.

“We believe a federal law is what’s appropriate to preempt all the state-by-state chaos,” Gonzalez said. “We all know it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to have a high school student looking at different state legislatures and saying ‘I like Florida’s law better than Oklahoma’s law, so maybe I’ll go to the University of Miami.’

“If you get into a federal standard, you clean that up for the athletes, you make it simpler. It levels the field for all of college sports so no matter what state you’re in, you play by the same rules, which in theory means you have equal opportunity inside of that.”

Among key points addressed in a federal law would be establishing that college athletes are not employees of their school, protecting the integrity of recruiting and the transfer portal and punishing bad actors who turn NIL into a pay-for-play system.

Gonzalez said he also believes independent oversight of the entire process is necessary with representation for the interests of athletes, schools and the outside entities that would make deals with athletes. The oversight body would provide reports to Congress to show how the NIL issue is playing out.

Gonzalez, a former football player for Ohio State and the Indianapolis Colts, said both parties and members of the House and Senate agree legislation is needed.

The Blumenthal-Booker bill "The Athlete's Bill of Rights" is the shit. It is a complete package bill covering Gonzalez's NIL, plus new extended eligibility for athletes to complete their degree, has a provision for extended medical care for collegiate sports injuries, and a provision for football and basketball players to gain profit sharing of Football/Basketball revenues. Whenever it is passed either in 2021 or 2022, will be the game changer.

This take on NIL is false. It's estimated that Gymnastics will be the primary money maker and it isn't possible to quantify because it comes down to what they put into it. Can you figure out how to cold call businesses state your position as an influencer and monetize it correctly or can't you? Currently it's not possible so one, non star, athlete has ever tried it and was successful.

[DudeAnon]

They are professional in all but name. If they aren't professional, then why are the coaches and everyone else who works in college athletics professionals?

1) So as someone who paid 150k to go to that institution does that make me a part owner of the team? Does that mean I went to Marquette's training camp but never showed up for basketball days? Where's their rent and tuition since they're just employees like everyone else they should be paying the same rates, I mean the pro teams don't even hook the players up with fancy housing and meal plans. They can have all the independent money they want but they are not professionals, they're students, attending class, have to make grades (albeit easier ones) to gain admission, and they get scholarships meal plans and housing like every other student. The pay from the school and is in that. Want to be a professional go be a pro but learn how to pay rent, cook meals, etc. When I was still boxing I'd have taken the first route over making a few hundred for getting my head punched in to pay tuition and rent and groceries.

2) are high school athletes pros in all but name because their coaches are professionals? AAU?

3) If a union is started who do you think runs it? A bunch of small schools simply fielding a team at a loss to get some school spirit and tradition out there? Or do you think it's the massive schools who can get into bidding wars for signing recruits + shoe deals etc? If you think it's the first choice you've got your head in the sand.

1. They can't have all the independent money they want as the NCAA. Prohibits them from most realistic means of income. There are thousands of students who also have jobs on campus that get paid. Why are athletes so different?

2. High school coaches are teachers first. AAU players would get paid but...NCAA rules would make them ineligible.

3. Realistically the union would be amongst the P6 and would be run by lawyers like every other sports union.