Reviewing Georgetown

[GumbyDamnit!]

Let me try to be the voice of reason. I thought Patrick did about as good a job as anyone could expect last year, with the number of players he often had at his disposal. A few of those transfers were the result of some pretty bad behavior. We should be celebrating when coaches are willing to sacrifice wins for a tainted roster or program. Maybe I'm idealistic but I think BE programs should aspire for better and should hold players accountable. You want wins at all cost, go to Arizona, LSU or Auburn.

Years 1-2 were JTIII players. He's just now trying to build his own roster. So I'd give him at least 2 more years. He needs to establish a program based on specific values. That sometimes requires patience. Jumping from coach to coach seldoms helps either.

[MUBoxer]

Let me try to be the voice of reason. I thought Patrick did about as good a job as anyone could expect last year, with the number of players he often had at his disposal. A few of those transfers were the result of some pretty bad behavior. We should be celebrating when coaches are willing to sacrifice wins for a tainted roster or program. Maybe I'm idealistic but I think BE programs should aspire for better and should hold players accountable. You want wins at all cost, go to Arizona, LSU or Auburn.

Years 1-2 were JTIII players. He's just now trying to build his own roster. So I'd give him at least 2 more years. He needs to establish a program based on specific values. That sometimes requires patience. Jumping from coach to coach seldoms helps either.

I agree with all of this except wasn't there a lot of looking the other way when Ewing was a player? Seems a bit hypocritical...

[Husky_U]

Ewing needs to go. I'd be very surprised if he's still the coach this time next year.

I think there could be a case made that were it not for the Covid situation, Ewing would be gone from Georgetown by now even.

After three years? I'm not so sure on that one. There was immense political pressure to move on from JTIII, especially with JT pulling strings behind the scenes. Cutting ties after only three years, when Ewing clearly overachieved given his talent restrictions, would have been met, internally, with a lot of bad and unnecessary PR. I think he was always guaranteed at least four years, unless there was a massive scandal (which showed he was at fault).

Like I said, I predict a Mullin-type separation after next season, where the two parties mutually part ways - saving face and a lot of headaches for a proud and distinguished alum.

Between Clyde Drexler, Chris Mullin, Jerry Stackhouse, Penny Hardaway, Mike Dunleavy, Avery Johnson, Terry Porter, Mark Price, among others that provide significant data, why would any school or AD willingly hire a former NBA player with little-to-no college coaching/recruiting experience? Absolutely dumbfounding.

* Kevin Ollie

[GumbyDamnit!]

Let me try to be the voice of reason. I thought Patrick did about as good a job as anyone could expect last year, with the number of players he often had at his disposal. A few of those transfers were the result of some pretty bad behavior. We should be celebrating when coaches are willing to sacrifice wins for a tainted roster or program. Maybe I'm idealistic but I think BE programs should aspire for better and should hold players accountable. You want wins at all cost, go to Arizona, LSU or Auburn.

Years 1-2 were JTIII players. He's just now trying to build his own roster. So I'd give him at least 2 more years. He needs to establish a program based on specific values. That sometimes requires patience. Jumping from coach to coach seldoms helps either.

I agree with all of this except wasn't there a lot of looking the other way when Ewing was a player? Seems a bit hypocritical...

If there was, it certainly wasn't Patrick's fault. If there were accountability issues when Patrick was a player that is on JTII. If anything you have to give PE credit for wanting a better-run program. NOw are there concerns? Yep. Sounds like he bungled the communication with MacClung. I'm sure he needs to improve. But I saw the way Patrick coached and the way Mullin coached and saw two different levels of commitment. Patrick was 100% engaged. He probably just need to learn the CEO side of a program and understand that players today are motivated differently than how he was at their age.

[DudeAnon]

Let me try to be the voice of reason. I thought Patrick did about as good a job as anyone could expect last year, with the number of players he often had at his disposal. A few of those transfers were the result of some pretty bad behavior. We should be celebrating when coaches are willing to sacrifice wins for a tainted roster or program. Maybe I'm idealistic but I think BE programs should aspire for better and should hold players accountable. You want wins at all cost, go to Arizona, LSU or Auburn.

Years 1-2 were JTIII players. He's just now trying to build his own roster. So I'd give him at least 2 more years. He needs to establish a program based on specific values. That sometimes requires patience. Jumping from coach to coach seldoms helps either.

I mean, Ewing has to take some responsibility in all this. Under his watch he has had players in legal trouble and now every good player move on or graduate before next year. I would give him 2 more years, if there isn't some serious evidence that Georgetown is resuming its place near the top of the Big East then he needs to go.

[GumbyDamnit!]

Let me try to be the voice of reason. I thought Patrick did about as good a job as anyone could expect last year, with the number of players he often had at his disposal. A few of those transfers were the result of some pretty bad behavior. We should be celebrating when coaches are willing to sacrifice wins for a tainted roster or program. Maybe I'm idealistic but I think BE programs should aspire for better and should hold players accountable. You want wins at all cost, go to Arizona, LSU or Auburn.

Years 1-2 were JTIII players. He's just now trying to build his own roster. So I'd give him at least 2 more years. He needs to establish a program based on specific values. That sometimes requires patience. Jumping from coach to coach seldoms helps either.

I mean, Ewing has to take some responsibility in all this. Under his watch he has had players in legal trouble and now every good player move on or graduate before next year. I would give him 2 more years, if there isn't some serious evidence that Georgetown is resuming its place near the top of the Big East then he needs to go.

You and I seem in agreement: 2 more years to prove he belongs.

[Xudash]

Let me try to be the voice of reason. I thought Patrick did about as good a job as anyone could expect last year, with the number of players he often had at his disposal. A few of those transfers were the result of some pretty bad behavior. We should be celebrating when coaches are willing to sacrifice wins for a tainted roster or program. Maybe I'm idealistic but I think BE programs should aspire for better and should hold players accountable. You want wins at all cost, go to Arizona, LSU or Auburn.

Years 1-2 were JTIII players. He's just now trying to build his own roster. So I'd give him at least 2 more years. He needs to establish a program based on specific values. That sometimes requires patience. Jumping from coach to coach seldoms helps either.

I mean, Ewing has to take some responsibility in all this. Under his watch he has had players in legal trouble and now every good player move on or graduate before next year. I would give him 2 more years, if there isn't some serious evidence that Georgetown is resuming its place near the top of the Big East then he needs to go.

Obviously, it's Georgetown's leadership's decision to make, but if it comes to a new coach, then it should come to a fully new regime, as that pertains to the Thompson Legacy. The Thompson "group", or at least influence, brought fabulous direct and indirect success to the Georgetown program. But I would think that it is time to move on.

Georgetown has way too much to offer to remain parked in a midland to lower position in the BE. It has the brand, the on campus facilities, a major city location, and a solid NBA arena to "peacock" to recruits.

UCONN is about to bring its weight to bare on the conference, making it even more competitive.

IF Patrick doesn't get it done within the next two campaigns, then perhaps it's time to wipe the board clean and look for a highly talented, fresh coaching solution that doesn't necessarily have any form of tether to the Hoyas.

[gtmoBlue]

There is no BE rule that prior great teams MUST return to prominence. Prov, StJ, DePaul bear proof of that. So the wishful thinking of the StJ/Gtwn clique,
that their teams will make the BE great when they return to respectability, is a well meant pipedream.

As for Patrick he'll be fine. Big John was only 43-37 after 3 years at Gtwn. JT got better, so will Patrick. Will Gtwn return to 80's greatness? No.

By the by...MacClung to NCA&T or Howard. Best fit.

[smallmodularreactor]

I wrote a longer post and will post it in parts after, but essentially what I’m hearing from behind the scenes (because this is GU admin related more than basketball related) but Ronnie Thompson (JT3s brother) has been against Ewing from the get go and upped his sabotage since last summer and has actively been trying to undermine him and apparently he’s been against Mac’s presence since day one too. Never really bought into the idea that the Thompson’s still had a negative influence in the program until two days ago. Though Jt Jr is still at every practice, it seems Ronny felt the job was his after JT3 left and he’s been working to make that A reality ever since. As far as some of the comments of McClung not feeling at home, apparently Jt Jr is super petty and doesn’t really respect alumni who haven’t been in the NBA or aren’t Ewing/Mourning/Mutombo. Honestly it kinda tracks and I could imagine his presence is a reason alumni like AI don’t come around as often, cause he’s certainly the reason other alumni don’t come around as often I wouldn’t want to establish my legacy in an environment like that if I were Mac. Hopefully the Thompson’s move on before they completely undermine what’s going on. They are likely helping to poison the well with the admin against the current team leadership.

[smallmodularreactor]

There is no BE rule that prior great teams MUST return to prominence. Prov, StJ, DePaul bear proof of that. So the wishful thinking of the StJ/Gtwn clique,
that their teams will make the BE great when they return to respectability, is a well meant pipedream.

As for Patrick he'll be fine. Big John was only 43-37 after 3 years at Gtwn. JT got better, so will Patrick. Will Gtwn return to 80's greatness? No.

By the by...MacClung to NCA&T or Howard. Best fit.

That is not a sound theory you’re offering up because I could point to countless examples of teams “returning to prominence”.....every team has had a lull in their history.