Future BE Member Saint Louis vs St. Bonny A-10 Championship

[scoscox]

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[kayako]

If Georgetown allows it, then let VCU in on the basis that they won't create an FBS football team.

As long as VCU is willing to commit more money to basketball than others. I don't like this institutional fit narrative.

[gtmoBlue]

If Georgetown allows it, then let VCU in on the basis that they won't create an FBS football team.

As long as VCU is willing to commit more money to basketball than others. I don't like this institutional fit narrative.

That's not a gtmo quote. Don't know if you ginned it up or not, but don't attribute false quotes to me. I am not in favor of adding VCU to the Big East.

[Gopher+RamFan]

I view FBS vs non-FBS as the biggest threat to the Big East, not private vs public. I get what you mean, but I don't think it should be a deal breaker (just as it shouldn't be one for UConn- even though they have FBS football... sort of).

If Georgetown allows it, then let VCU in on the basis that they won't create an FBS football team.

On another note, it is surprising the AAC has not invited VCU. If they really cared about basketball they would have added Gonzaga and VCU. Wichita St was a nice gesture, but not a great move with much better candidates available.

VCU doesn't have an FCS program, not even a club team. The school is all-in with basketball, for better or worse. That's the reason why I'd like to see the school in the Big East in the top basketball only conference.

If the BE is a non-starter, I'd hop on board the AAC train if given the opportunity. I'm not sure remaining in the A-10 as currently configured is in the program's best interest.

[Gopher+RamFan]

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If expansion came to be in the Big East, Val Ackerman said going to 11 would be most ideal and "very workable" because it could allow the double round-robin intra-league scheduling to remain in place. Going to 12 or more schools would eliminate that.

The Catholic-school angle is also not insignificant. Butler, which is private and of similar makeup to the other nine, is the only non-Catholic institution in the Big East. There's also a high level of camaraderie and morale among the membership now, something that Ackerman noted wasn't there right before the old Big East fissured, when the league was bigger.

BTW, this is a ‘Saint Louis‘ thread – not a ‘VCU’ thread.[/quote]

I'll only respond to you once, since I think you're MuddyWaters (who I believe was kicked off the A10 board) - plus this is a BE board, and I don't want to spam, even if it is the offseason.

You specifically pasted only the Catholic angle factor, without the most important ones:

What schools make for ideal candidates? The rumor mill has consistently put out a litany of programs, many of them currently in the A-10, such as Saint Louis, Dayton, Richmond, VCU, Rhode Island, Davidson and Saint Joseph's.


Ackerman said any school up for consideration would have to check a lot of boxes before entering into real discussion.
"Geography would be important," she said. "Commitment to basketball would probably be the No. 1 thing, the notion that they would be additive as it relates to our basketball prospects. Are they going to help secure our chances every year of getting into the NCAA Tournament? Possible No. 2: Would they help us with our tournament? Would they bring fans to Madison Square Garden?"
The Catholic-school angle is also not insignificant. Butler, which is private and of similar makeup to the other nine, is the only non-Catholic institution in the Big East. There's also a high level of camaraderie and morale among the membership now, something that Ackerman noted wasn't there right before the old Big East fissured, when the league was bigger.

I'd say VCU knocks off Numbers 1 and 2 based off of the last 15 years of data. Obviously it's a public school, no getting around that. It's nice to hypothesize, but highly doubtful the decision makers ever read this thread.

[Fieldhouse Flyer]

VCU doesn't have an FCS [football] program, not even a club team.

Guess again: VCU Rams Football

Anyway, back to topic ==> Saint Louis Baseball, or whatever.

[NJRedman]

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If expansion came to be in the Big East, Val Ackerman said going to 11 would be most ideal and "very workable" because it could allow the double round-robin intra-league scheduling to remain in place. Going to 12 or more schools would eliminate that.

The Catholic-school angle is also not insignificant. Butler, which is private and of similar makeup to the other nine, is the only non-Catholic institution in the Big East. There's also a high level of camaraderie and morale among the membership now, something that Ackerman noted wasn't there right before the old Big East fissured, when the league was bigger.

BTW, this is a ‘Saint Louis‘ thread – not a ‘VCU’ thread.

I'll only respond to you once, since I think you're MuddyWaters (who I believe was kicked off the A10 board) - plus this is a BE board, and I don't want to spam, even if it is the offseason.

You specifically pasted only the Catholic angle factor, without the most important ones:

What schools make for ideal candidates? The rumor mill has consistently put out a litany of programs, many of them currently in the A-10, such as Saint Louis, Dayton, Richmond, VCU, Rhode Island, Davidson and Saint Joseph's.


Ackerman said any school up for consideration would have to check a lot of boxes before entering into real discussion.
"Geography would be important," she said. "Commitment to basketball would probably be the No. 1 thing, the notion that they would be additive as it relates to our basketball prospects. Are they going to help secure our chances every year of getting into the NCAA Tournament? Possible No. 2: Would they help us with our tournament? Would they bring fans to Madison Square Garden?"
The Catholic-school angle is also not insignificant. Butler, which is private and of similar makeup to the other nine, is the only non-Catholic institution in the Big East. There's also a high level of camaraderie and morale among the membership now, something that Ackerman noted wasn't there right before the old Big East fissured, when the league was bigger.

I'd say VCU knocks off Numbers 1 and 2 based off of the last 15 years of data. Obviously it's a public school, no getting around that. It's nice to hypothesize, but highly doubtful the decision makers ever read this thread.[/quote]

I agree, I think they would be a good addition along with SLU. I think you guys would help tap into that northern VA market that is being filled with north eastern transplants.

[Fieldhouse Flyer]

It looks like a very exciting week ahead for billyjack’s Reputable Boneyard Posters: UConn To Big East For 2021... thread.

As I had no interest in making an off-topic post on that excellent thread, I’ll address the posts made about Saint Louis on the 'Boneyard' thread below:

Nice post Fieldhouse...

Your points regarding the early exit from AAC requirements and the money, also the remote possibility of the entry being blocked are appropo.

Give me the Zags and SLU.

SLU would pretty much be the only team that could punch all of the boxes (unless Duquesne becomes a power after being dead for 45 years).

I'll be rooting for St. Louis and Duquesne to dominate the A10. Just in case we might need to call one of them up to the big leagues.

As I pointed out back in March, Saint Louis has already peaked, and the Billikens nearly broke into the Top 100 in the 2018-19 season.
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Future BE Member Saint Louis vs St. Bonny A-10 Champions – Post # 42 – HLOH MB

Saint Louis would bring down the conference averages of the Big East's most important numbers:

Saint Louis 2014-15 Final RPI Ranking: 273
Saint Louis 2015-16 Final RPI Ranking: 207
Saint Louis 2016-17 Final RPI Ranking: 247
Saint Louis 2017-18 Final RPI Ranking: 138
Saint Louis 2018-19 Mar. 19 NET Ranking: 103
Saint Louis Five-year Average Ranking: 194 ...... Saint Louis 2018-19 Average Home Attendance: 6,890

Saint Louis was picked to finish in first place in 2018-19 in the October 2018 Atlantic 10 Coaches and Media Poll. To their credit, the Billikens won the Atlantic 10 Tournament, but that was more a result of the Atlantic 10 collectively having a very bad season rather than Saint Louis having a very good team. The 2019-20 season looks to be another rebuilding year for Travis Ford, who is now struggling on the recruiting trail.

In a city of 2,800,000 people, in a season when the Billikens were predicted to win the Atlantic 10 Championship (and did), the Billikens still averaged fewer than 7,000 fans per game (and more than 3,500 empty seats per game). The Billikens will always be second to the Missouri Tigers in the St. Louis college sports TV market. It is quite probable that the apathy shown towards Billikens basketball at the Chaifetz Arena turnstiles is reflected in the viewership of Billikens basketball on TV.

St. Louis never has been and never will be a ‘college basketball’ city. The size of the media market is of little consequence when the market has little interest in college basketball in general, and little interest in the Saint Louis Billikens in particular.

(5) SLU likely won't take a step back next year as Jordan Goodwin and Hashan French return, plus they add three highly touted recruits and a JC transfer who is eligible immediately.

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June 24, 2019 Update:

# 58 Saint Louis Billikens 2017-2018 Preview - Joel Welser, College Sports Madness – September 13, 2017

# 53 Saint Louis Billikens 2018-2019 Preview - Joel Welser, College Sports Madness – September 15, 2018

# 143 Saint Louis Billikens 2019-2020 Preview - Jacob Young, College Sports Madness – June 16, 2019

Conference Rank: #6 in Atlantic 10

Saint Louis had a disappointing 2018-19 regular season, failing to win 20 games and going 10-8 in a down year for the Atlantic 10. Getting back to the postseason could be an uphill climb for the Billikens.

Coach: Travis Ford. Record: 52-50 at Saint Louis, 397-307 overall.

Key Departed Players:
Javon Bess, Forward, 15.3 ppg
Tramaine Isabell, Guard, 13.7 ppg
D.J. Foreman, Forward, 6.1 ppg
Dion Wiley, Guard, 4.5 ppg

Key Returning Players:
Jordan Goodwin, Junior, Guard, 10.5 ppg
Hasahn French, Junior, Forward, 9.3 ppg

Key New Players:
Javonte Perkins, Junior, Forward, (Junior College transfer)
Yuri Collins, Freshman, Guard (presently ranked #214 by 247 Sports)
Terrence Hargrove, Freshman, Forward (presently ranked #317 by 247 Sports)
Gibson Jimerson, Freshman, Guard (presently ranked #449 by 247 Sports)
Jimmy Bell, Freshman, Center (presently ranked #453 by 247 Sports)
Madani Diarra, Freshman, Center (not listed in the 247 Sports prospect database)

Projection:
Juniors Jordan Goodwin and Hasahn French will be the foundation for the Billikens this season. Goodwin and French had strong sophomore seasons, with each starting 35 games and playing more than 30 minutes per outing. Javonte Perkins could be the most important addition for Saint Louis as an experienced forward from junior college. Perkins has good size at 6-7 and was a high-level shooter in junior college. Five freshmen also join the Billikens this season. Point guard Yuri Collins is the highest ranked of the group as a top-250 recruit. There isn’t a lot of returning production for Saint Louis, but the potential is there for the Billikens to be in the top half of the Atlantic 10 standings this season.

Projected Postseason Tournament: None

[butlerguy03]

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[Edrick]

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There was never a possibility of SLU gaining admittance into the Big East. This is no less valid thread as a week ago