NCAA Coaching Carousel

[billyjack]

The Big East really though wasn't getting good payouts. I mean the last numbers that we saw from the 2016 season was less than 3 million. Now the NCAA money is up some and the TV money is up some, but even if it's 5 million payout, compared to the Big Ten at 50 million plus(so using the 80/20 principle- it's 10 million), SEC at 41 million(8.2 million), Big 12 34.8 million(6.96 million), Pac 12 30.9 million(6.15 million), and ACC 30.7 million(6.14 million)- it's very low. And those numbers are going up fast as well. ACC is going to go up fast after their network comes online this year.

The biggest thing with the coaches is the constant moving for the Big East. Butler, Xavier, and Marquette have all lost a coach upwards in the last 6 years. If Willard or Wojo leave- that increases the number of coaches. But if you're going to be paying Mack only 1.7 million per year, what do you expect?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jppelzman/ ... e910f358ac

"Constant moving"? Whut?

Only 2 of our current schools have lost coaches "upwards" in the last 5 years. "Two" equals the same number of BE schools that lost coaches "upwards" in the "First Golden Era" of 1982 to 1987, with one coming off an Elite-8 (Dr Tom Davis at BC) then Sweet 16 (Gary Williams at BC), and the other off a Final Four (Pitino at PC).

Our 3 current schools that moved on from coaches in the last 5 years, equals the same number of schools that moved on from their coaches in the 5-year period 1982 thru 1987 (Chipman at Pitt, Mullaney at PC, Perno at UConn)..

Our 5 current schools that have had the same coaches over the last 5 years... is similar to the number in the First Golden Era of the Big East, where we had 4 stable coaches (JT Jr, Rollie, Louie, Boeheim).

Really amazing parallels between the two eras, right down to the 2 National Championships in both time periods.

[stever20]

Your numbers are wrong in that you are saying 1982-1987 is a 5 year period. Sorry, but that's a 6 year period. Davis left after the 82 season. Williams left after the 86 season. Pitino left after the 87 season. Sorry but that's 2 schools in 6 years. In the 6 years of the Big East, had 3 schools get poached upwards. 2014-2019.

[kayako]

But if you're going to be paying Mack only 1.7 million per year, what do you expect?

I heard they offered 3M to stay. Obviously Xavier's not going to outbid a desperate Louisville, but if they're willing to go 3M, that's very competitive with the majority of football schools.

As long as our basketball budgets stay competitive, we're not in the dire situation which you try to imply. This 2016 data paints a very healthy picture for our programs.

https://www.midmajormadness.com/2018/6/11/17441968/ncaa-revenue-expense-statistics-college-basketball-2016-gonzaga-mid-major

[billyjack]

Your numbers are wrong in that you are saying 1982-1987 is a 5 year period. Sorry, but that's a 6 year period. Davis left after the 82 season. Williams left after the 86 season. Pitino left after the 87 season. Sorry but that's 2 schools in 6 years. In the 6 years of the Big East, had 3 schools get poached upwards. 2014-2019.

Thanks for allowing me to explain how the situations are even more similar:

Cuz it's actually 2 schools in the 2-year period of 1986 and 1987, right in the middle of the Golden Era coming off 2 consecutive National Championships. Which is the same as our 2 schools in the 2 recent years while we also won 2 National Championships.

And the Tom Davis thing in 1982... and i realize you were playing with Cabbage Patch Kidz around this time so you don't remember it, while the rest of us actual Big East fans were living it in real time... but Davis leaving was a huge downer for all of us, as we were still establishing ourselves as a conference, and BC had just made an Elite-8 but was graduating John Bagley and losing Davis hurt a ton.

Buzz leaving Marquette was partly cuz he's flaky, partly cuz the Marquette admin was putting his Juco-laden program under a microscope, and partly cuz he was leaving town before he was forced out. Buzz spun the situation to his benefit and to the benefit of the Big East critics.

The point of the Buzz-Davis similarities has to do with the initial PR hit, and it's irrelevant whether it was 5 or 6 years. Also whereas Boston College flipped coaches 4 years later, Wojo as of my writing here is stable through 5 years.

[note: Stever is now searching the internet for information on John Bagley, who he'll be an "expert" on in about 12 minutes]

[scoscox]

But if you're going to be paying Mack only 1.7 million per year, what do you expect?

Such a lazy jab. Xavier offered him 3 million which is more than enough (and would’ve made him the highest paid coach in the conference I think). Mack going to Louisville was less about money than it was about his wife being from the area and it being his dream job. Mack turned down Ohio state the year before.

Xavier can pay. How do you think we hired Jonas Hayes and Ben Johnson away from their alma maters?

For all the teams you can knock for being cheap or not committed to basketball, it ain’t us. Moreover we’re building a new state of the art locker room this offseason and a new practice facility next year. We just renovated Cintas.

[GoldenWarrior11]

A majority of our head coaches are in the $2-$3 million range annually. Wright is one of the highest paid basketball coaches in the country. I do think the scales will be increasing in the coming years (especially from the SEC, ACC and B1G) due to their television contract revenue (look at Fred Hoiberg's deal with Nebraska). I think the going rate for proven, successful head coaches will be $3.5-$4 million. I would not be shocked to see, in the coming years, programs like Penn State, Clemson, Rutgers and Boston College up the ante on their basketball budgets in order to keep pace with others in conference.

[ArmyVet]

Does Williard to VaTech have any legs?

[Savannah Jay]

But if you're going to be paying Mack only 1.7 million per year, what do you expect?

Such a lazy jab.

Stever's participation here, in a nutshell.

[Masterofreality20]

But if you're going to be paying Mack only 1.7 million per year, what do you expect?

I heard they offered 3M to stay. Obviously Xavier's not going to outbid a desperate Louisville, but if they're willing to go 3M, that's very competitive with the majority of football schools.

As long as our basketball budgets stay competitive, we're not in the dire situation which you try to imply. This 2016 data paints a very healthy picture for our programs.

https://www.midmajormadness.com/2018/6/11/17441968/ncaa-revenue-expense-statistics-college-basketball-2016-gonzaga-mid-major

As a Xavier guy, $3 million is an absolutely true figure plus a longer firm extension. There were provisions for assistant coach raises too.
Xavier stepped up big time. Mack was just damn determined to move his wife back to her hometown- even with the sewer that continues to fester.

[Hall2012]

Does Williard to VaTech have any legs?

Only thing I've seen on the subject is this disaster from some random VT blog:

So uhh...who's "Seaton Hall?"
I wish we beat SLU, getting that home L off our resume might have helped our seed a bit
Who knew Seton Hall and Marquette faced each other in the first round of the NCAA Tournament? Didn't even think that was allowed.
Back to this "Seaton Hall" school that I've never heard of.

I won't be worried until I see something from an at least borderline credible source

A native of Huntington, NY, Kevin Willard (43) has been coaching at nearby Seaton Hall since 2010, a job he took after coaching Iona.

After struggling to place higher than 10th in the Big East for his first three seasons, Willard's teams have ended the regular season at 3rd in the conference 4 years running and parlayed each of those finishes into NCAA tournament appearances. They also won the Big East tourney in 2016. This season the Pirates were up and down, beating tournament teams in St. Louis, Maryland, and Villanova, suffering a 4 game losing streak in January and a 3 game losing streak in March but qualified for the NCAA tournament, where they lost in the first round to Marquette. Overall, he's 169–126 (.573) and 70–90 (.438) in conference at Seton Hall.

Seaton Hall ranked 85th in Offensive Efficiency, 57th in Defensive Efficiency, and 100th in Offensive Tempo.

He's currently earning $1.8M/year and does not have a buyout listed on the USA Today database.

Recruiting ranks at Seton Hall:

2019: 76
2018: 85
2017: 45
2016: 60
2015: 85