Tue, Dec. 11, 2018 (1) Big East Game

[stever20]

I'll just reply to you here Stever

I'll say this- if Quinerly doesn't work out- it's going to put a ton of pressure on Wright next year to have Antoine and Robinson-Earl pan out- or we might not see Nova getting those 5 star guys any longer.....

Small pressure maybe, but a ton is an exaggeration and wishful thinking on your part. Quinerly, as well as Brunson and Spellman were ranked in the 20s, hardly guaranteed college BB studs. I hope Jay learns from this, because if JQ got even 10 minutes a game, none of this happens and he'd be blameless even if JQ transfers out.

I'm sorry- for some reason I thought Quinerly was ranked in the high teens.....

I just think it'll put a good bit of pressure on Wright next year. If he strikes out on 3 recruits like this- and next year does have #13 and #19- it will be interesting to see the impact....

I wonder with Quinerly- if JW was like I'm not going to have a repeat of what happened earlier this decade.....

And yeah- totally agreeing with you on the if JW played him even 10 minutes a game- this probably is a total non-issue and if Quinerly transfers out, it's all on him and no one thinks twice about it from JW's perspective.

[stever20]

I agree. I think Nova will be more than fine. I think Jay has to figure out the right combo of players and I'm sure he'll have a plan in place by the time Big East season is in full swing. I absolutely believe they will be a dangerous team by February/March.

The problem is by then, they could have easily 9-10 losses. And remember, all games are viewed equally by the committee- regardless of time of year. Sometimes, that's helped them(2011 when they lost 10 of their final 15 games but still got a 9 seed). This year may hurt them.

and only thing- unless he can figure out the point guard spot- not going to do much at all...

[GumbyDamnit!]

Some people are losing their minds on this thread.

[Savannah Jay]

Some people are losing their minds on this thread.

Maybe Villanova isn't Villanova yet, but they've set an almost impossible bar for themselves.

Losses the last 3+ seasons:
2015-16: PC, X, SHU
2016-17: BU, MU, BU, Wisky
2017-18: BU, SJ, CU
2018-19: Mich, Furman, Penn

So, from 2015-18, Villanova lost a total of 10 games...in 3 years, only one out of conference, and none to anyone that "they should have beaten." That last caveat is based on the common sense that conference games are toughest just because of the known commodity. If you want to assert that getting beat twice by Butler one year or losing a few conference games at home were "should have" games, fine. But they have a spectacular 3 year run that you'd be hard pressed to find a match. So they lost a couple games the basketball world think they should have won this year because they sent 4 guys to NBA (and, honestly, had only "scheduled" to lose 2).

It might be a little surprising but hardly cause for alarm...please. When I grow up, I want 3+ years like Villanova has had, even if I lose to Furman and Penn in my "down year."

[Westbrook#36]

hell by the end of this year I think we'll be dangerous. Just have to correct fixable mistakes, blown defensive assignments, turnovers, poor shot selection, etc. Talent isn't the issue.

Nova nation's in a meltdown mode, but yeah I agree that the season isn't lost. Kansas game is going to tell us a lot about the team's character. Next year's class? I'm not so sure. The balance is weird with Antoine & Moore and JRE & Dixon playing same positions. Wouldn't surprise me if at least 2 or more of those players get in Jay's doghouse and never see playing time. Oh, and unless this JQ issue is completely overblown, I have to watch Gillespie try valiantly but utterly fail at initiating offense again.

Maybe JQ is another Cheek or Wayn, sort of uncoachable and thinks he's better than he really is? Not worried about it too much, Brunson and Spellman worked out great. We won't know more about next years class til next year unfortunately, but I'm excited about it's potential. This years class is looking solid, Bey and Swider are going to be very good and Slater looks like an ideal candidate for the Jay Wright freshman RS program, we've seen how that usually works. I don't get why people are so down on Gillespie, Archie wasn't that aesthetically pleasing to watch initiating the offense either at first. I think Booth is much more cringe worthy in that regard than CG.

[stever20]

hell by the end of this year I think we'll be dangerous. Just have to correct fixable mistakes, blown defensive assignments, turnovers, poor shot selection, etc. Talent isn't the issue.

Nova nation's in a meltdown mode, but yeah I agree that the season isn't lost. Kansas game is going to tell us a lot about the team's character. Next year's class? I'm not so sure. The balance is weird with Antoine & Moore and JRE & Dixon playing same positions. Wouldn't surprise me if at least 2 or more of those players get in Jay's doghouse and never see playing time. Oh, and unless this JQ issue is completely overblown, I have to watch Gillespie try valiantly but utterly fail at initiating offense again.

Maybe JQ is another Cheek or Wayn, sort of uncoachable and thinks he's better than he really is? Not worried about it too much, Brunson and Spellman worked out great. We won't know more about next years class til next year unfortunately. This years class is looking solid, Bey and Swider are going to be very good and Slater looks like an ideal candidate for the Jay Wright freshman RS program, we've seen how that usually works. I don't get why people are so down on Gillespie, Archie wasn't that aesthetically pleasing to watch initiating the offense either at first. I think Booth is much more cringe worthy in that regard than CG.

Slater would need to get injured to get redshirted in the next few games....

[Westbrook#36]

Slater would need to get injured to get redshirted in the next few games....

Yeah,my bad, mixed up the new football rule where you can play 4 games and still redshirt, even without being injured. Slater has played in 6 out of 11 games so far, Divincenzo played in 8 games early in 15-16 got hurt and redshirted. When does the injury have to occur? Say he sits 7 more games, then gets "injured" can he still redshirt? Seriously it's hard to keep up with and interpret NCAA rules sometimes.

BTW, this how you issue a mea culpa without moving goalposts or selectively using, framing, and editing data. You should try it sometime.

[stever20]

Slater would need to get injured to get redshirted in the next few games....

Yeah,my bad, mixed up the new football rule where you can play 4 games and still redshirt, even without being injured. Slater has played in 6 out of 11 games so far, Divincenzo played in 8 games early in 15-16 got hurt and redshirted. When does the injury have to occur? Say he sits 7 more games, then gets "injured" can he still redshirt? Seriously it's hard to keep up with and interpret NCAA rules sometimes.

BTW, this how you issue a mea culpa without moving goalposts or selectively using, framing, and editing data. You should try it sometime.

I actually mentioned the football rule in my initial reply to this, but accidentally hit refresh and lost that and left it out.... It's actually probably opened up a major can of worms, as a guy like a Quinerly would having played only in 8 games- would be able to transfer and then play right away at the start of next season- given he's played in less than 1/3 of the teams games so far.... Saw the QB from Clemson do that- played in 4 games this year and then transferred to Missouri....

To your question, I really don't know. I think it may have something to do with game date. Divicenzo played up to December 7. I don't think there are hard and fast rules on it- it's a case by case basis- kind of like the hardship waivers....

[GumbyDamnit!]

It does not concern me one iota if Jay W somehow scares off 5 star recruits because of Jahvon Q., as the resident AAC shill proposes. The problem with the one and done rule is that these kids have a false sense of their own worth coming out of HS because of a flawed recruiting ranking system. Some believe a ranking alone is the golden ticket and that things will just magically fall into place. If they don’t accept that hard work and personal development alone will get them to the NBA, then go have fun elsewhere. We’ve won with kids who are ranked 100+ and have won with kids ranked top 25. Please tell me that you are actually questioning Jay’s ability to develop players for success at both college and NBA levels.

Let's infuse some facts. In the past 5 years JW has put no less than 8 players into the Big Show: Hilliard-Ochefu-Arch-Hart-Bridges-Brunson-DiVincenzo-Spellman. He has also won 2 NCs and been consistently near the top of the polls. Are you really trying to peddle that Jay W might have some problems selling his ability to develop kids and get them to the next level? Now that’s f’ing funny as hell. Since Quade Green is transferring out of UK, and joining a LONG list of kids who have never panned out for Calipari, are other McD’s going to stop coming? You are the King of ridiculously stupid arguments in an attempt to find chinks in the armor and this one lands right near the top of your all-time greats. You continue to be the board’s clown-box (aka village idiot).

[stever20]

Here's the thing... Everyone has been talking about the dramatic uptick in recruiting for Nova since they won the titles. And how they were going to get those guys and be even more untouchable than they have been.....

Also, to your question regarding Kentucky. Seems to me that they aren't recruiting as well now as they used to. Duke has beaten them 3 straight years for the #1 class. So I would argue that it has had an impact.