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Re: Mustapha Heron a Johnny?

Postby stever20 » Wed May 30, 2018 10:41 am

Hall2012 wrote:I thought the NCAA got rid of family hardship waivers? Or did they do an about-face on that rule and I missed it?


They did. I think it's a lot of hope quite frankly and not reality by any means.
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Re: Mustapha Heron a Johnny?

Postby Savannah Jay » Wed May 30, 2018 10:49 am

MullinMayhem wrote:Make no mistake and this is not an exaggeration...Heron is a program changer and was the best player in the SEC.


Heron is a good player and will help SJU. But he was not the best player in the SEC. According to the coaches in the SEC, he wasn't even one of the top 16. In fact, according to the coaches, he wasn't even the best player at Auburn.

http://www.secsports.com/article/22657404/2018-sec-men-basketball-awards-announced

Regardless, would be good news for SJU.
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Re: Mustapha Heron a Johnny?

Postby NJRedman » Wed May 30, 2018 11:05 am

Savannah Jay wrote:
MullinMayhem wrote:Make no mistake and this is not an exaggeration...Heron is a program changer and was the best player in the SEC.


Heron is a good player and will help SJU. But he was not the best player in the SEC. According to the coaches in the SEC, he wasn't even one of the top 16. In fact, according to the coaches, he wasn't even the best player at Auburn.

http://www.secsports.com/article/22657404/2018-sec-men-basketball-awards-announced

Regardless, would be good news for SJU.


He wasn't the best player at Auburn? C'mon now.
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Re: Mustapha Heron a Johnny?

Postby NJRedman » Wed May 30, 2018 11:08 am

Hall2012 wrote:I thought the NCAA got rid of family hardship waivers? Or did they do an about-face on that rule and I missed it?


No, it still exists in some form because some athletes have legit family hardships. It's just harder to get and apparently his mother is legitimately very sick and has been the last year. He's not transferring because of lack of playing time or something like that, it seems to legitimately to be about being closer to her.
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Re: Mustapha Heron a Johnny?

Postby Friarsfan94 » Wed May 30, 2018 11:09 am

NJRedman wrote:
Savannah Jay wrote:
MullinMayhem wrote:Make no mistake and this is not an exaggeration...Heron is a program changer and was the best player in the SEC.


Heron is a good player and will help SJU. But he was not the best player in the SEC. According to the coaches in the SEC, he wasn't even one of the top 16. In fact, according to the coaches, he wasn't even the best player at Auburn.

http://www.secsports.com/article/22657404/2018-sec-men-basketball-awards-announced

Regardless, would be good news for SJU.


He wasn't the best player at Auburn? C'mon now.


Clearly, he was not...? Two players from Auburn made the All-Conference team ahead of him, and a third player made the all-defensive team ahead of him. Heron is a welcome addition to any team, he's that good, but he's not stepping in and taking over for a Big East team who currently has the best player in the conference returning at the same exact position as Heron.
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Re: Mustapha Heron a Johnny?

Postby stever20 » Wed May 30, 2018 11:16 am

NJRedman wrote:
Hall2012 wrote:I thought the NCAA got rid of family hardship waivers? Or did they do an about-face on that rule and I missed it?


No, it still exists in some form because some athletes have legit family hardships. It's just harder to get and apparently his mother is legitimately very sick and has been the last year. He's not transferring because of lack of playing time or something like that, it seems to legitimately to be about being closer to her.


Actually it doesn't exist any longer- been gone since 2015
https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr ... 37627.html
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Re: Mustapha Heron a Johnny?

Postby billyjack » Wed May 30, 2018 11:36 am

A Johnnie that Ed Cooley recruited hard was Sedee Keita. He was lost on Frank Martin's bench.
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Re: Mustapha Heron a Johnny?

Postby MullinMayhem » Wed May 30, 2018 11:43 am

At worst we may have another Ponds level, All-Big East caliber guard who stands at a freakish 6'5. Heron is a major, major player. He'd be starting on almost every Top 25 team.
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Re: Mustapha Heron a Johnny?

Postby Friarsfan94 » Wed May 30, 2018 11:49 am

MullinMayhem wrote:At worst we may have another Ponds level, All-Big East caliber guard who stands at a freakish 6'5. Heron is a major, major player. He'd be starting on almost every Top 25 team.


A. A freakish 6'5"? That's about as average as it comes when talking about basketball players' heights, especially 2 guards.
B. I promise he is not as good as Ponds.
C. He MIGHT make 2nd team all conference, but there won't be 2 Johnnies on the first team, and Ponds will be on the first team.
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Re: Mustapha Heron a Johnny?

Postby adoraz » Wed May 30, 2018 12:08 pm

Savannah Jay wrote:
MullinMayhem wrote:Make no mistake and this is not an exaggeration...Heron is a program changer and was the best player in the SEC.


Heron is a good player and will help SJU. But he was not the best player in the SEC. According to the coaches in the SEC, he wasn't even one of the top 16. In fact, according to the coaches, he wasn't even the best player at Auburn.

http://www.secsports.com/article/22657404/2018-sec-men-basketball-awards-announced

Regardless, would be good news for SJU.


He was voted to the AP Second Team. The Coach poll was seen as a strange omission. I'll trust the AP here:

AP First Team All-SEC
Bryce Brown, Auburn
Daryl Macon, Arkansas
Yante Maten, Georgia (unanimous)
Collin Sexton, Alabama
Grant Williams, Tennessee (unanimous)

AP Second Team All-SEC
Jaylen Barford, Arkansas
Chris Chiozza, Florida
Jared Harper, Auburn
Mustapha Heron, Auburn
Kassius Robertson, Missouri

So, he is arguably the second best returning SEC player, while Ponds is the best returning Big East player (only returning 1st Team player).
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