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It's way, way, way too early for this but there's nothing else to discuss. So, here we go...

Jon Rothstein's Top 45:
#2 Villanova
#7 Creighton
#33 Providence
#37 Xavier
#39 UConn

https://collegehoopstoday.com/index.php ... for-20-21/

This would be pretty solid! At least 5 Tournament teams (probably 6 I'd guess- a team like the Johnnies I'd put around #50) and a 1 seed and 2 seed in the Tournament.

adoraz wrote:It's way, way, way too early for this but there's nothing else to discuss. So, here we go...

Jon Rothstein's Top 45:
#2 Villanova
#7 Creighton
#33 Providence
#37 Xavier
#39 UConn

https://collegehoopstoday.com/index.php ... for-20-21/

This would be pretty solid! At least 5 Tournament teams (probably 6 I'd guess- a team like the Johnnies I'd put around #50) and a 1 seed and 2 seed in the Tournament.

#50 wouldn't get in the tournament. There's always about 22 teams from smaller 1 bid conferences getting in the tournament- so 46 spots really available. Look at this years seed list- Xavier was the last at large at #46 from bracketville.

stever20 wrote:

adoraz wrote:It's way, way, way too early for this but there's nothing else to discuss. So, here we go...

Jon Rothstein's Top 45:
#2 Villanova
#7 Creighton
#33 Providence
#37 Xavier
#39 UConn

https://collegehoopstoday.com/index.php ... for-20-21/

This would be pretty solid! At least 5 Tournament teams (probably 6 I'd guess- a team like the Johnnies I'd put around #50) and a 1 seed and 2 seed in the Tournament.

#50 wouldn't get in the tournament. There's always about 22 teams from smaller 1 bid conferences getting in the tournament- so 46 spots really available. Look at this years seed list- Xavier was the last at large at #46 from bracketville.

Just a suggestion which i think would go a long way, and which i think can help your posts in general be accepted better and not be misunderstood:

Your use of the word "wouldn't", a declarative statement on something that is 12 months away and taken from a post above where the writer said SJU being "around 50" (which could be a range between 45 and 55 or so and is just pulled out of the air), needs to be re-worked.... something like:

"#50 may not get into the tourney", or:
"#50 has tended to not get a bid", or:
"if the Johnnies get to 46 they'd be in a better spot for a bid"...

Change that phrasing to something even slightly more malleable, and members here wouldn't continually get pissed off at you. Capice?

billyjack wrote:

stever20 wrote:

adoraz wrote:It's way, way, way too early for this but there's nothing else to discuss. So, here we go...

Jon Rothstein's Top 45:
#2 Villanova
#7 Creighton
#33 Providence
#37 Xavier
#39 UConn

https://collegehoopstoday.com/index.php ... for-20-21/

This would be pretty solid! At least 5 Tournament teams (probably 6 I'd guess- a team like the Johnnies I'd put around #50) and a 1 seed and 2 seed in the Tournament.

#50 wouldn't get in the tournament. There's always about 22 teams from smaller 1 bid conferences getting in the tournament- so 46 spots really available. Look at this years seed list- Xavier was the last at large at #46 from bracketville.

Just a suggestion which i think would go a long way, and which i think can help your posts in general be accepted better and not be misunderstood:

Your use of the word "wouldn't", a declarative statement on something that is 12 months away and taken from a post above where the writer said SJU being "around 50" (which could be a range between 45 and 55 or so and is just pulled out of the air), needs to be re-worked.... something like:

"#50 may not get into the tourney", or:
"#50 has tended to not get a bid", or:
"if the Johnnies get to 46 they'd be in a better spot for a bid"...

Change that phrasing to something even slightly more malleable, and members here wouldn't continually get pissed off at you. Capice?

The NCAA has released seed lists the last 8 years. Only twice, in 2012 and 2013 did #50 make the tourney. The last 6 years the last team in was 47, 46, 45, 46, 44, and 47. That's coincided with all of the conference moves, which have absolutely consolidated the bids into about only 9-10 conferences. It's a lot more absolute than you think it is.
#50 though NEVER gets in the tournament.

stever20 wrote:

adoraz wrote:It's way, way, way too early for this but there's nothing else to discuss. So, here we go...

Jon Rothstein's Top 45:
#2 Villanova
#7 Creighton
#33 Providence
#37 Xavier
#39 UConn

https://collegehoopstoday.com/index.php ... for-20-21/

This would be pretty solid! At least 5 Tournament teams (probably 6 I'd guess- a team like the Johnnies I'd put around #50) and a 1 seed and 2 seed in the Tournament.

#50 wouldn't get in the tournament. There's always about 22 teams from smaller 1 bid conferences getting in the tournament- so 46 spots really available. Look at this years seed list- Xavier was the last at large at #46 from bracketville.

We got in last year at #73 NET, so you better alert the Committee. Larger conference teams have more Q1 opportunities which we took advantage of.

Yes, #73 was an outlier but you set yourself up. As billy said, stop speaking in absolutes. I simply meant that I expect some more teams from the Big East to compete for a spot.

adoraz wrote:

stever20 wrote:

adoraz wrote:It's way, way, way too early for this but there's nothing else to discuss. So, here we go...

Jon Rothstein's Top 45:
#2 Villanova
#7 Creighton
#33 Providence
#37 Xavier
#39 UConn

https://collegehoopstoday.com/index.php ... for-20-21/

This would be pretty solid! At least 5 Tournament teams (probably 6 I'd guess- a team like the Johnnies I'd put around #50) and a 1 seed and 2 seed in the Tournament.

#50 wouldn't get in the tournament. There's always about 22 teams from smaller 1 bid conferences getting in the tournament- so 46 spots really available. Look at this years seed list- Xavier was the last at large at #46 from bracketville.

We got in last year at #73, so you better alert the Committee. Larger conference teams have more Q1 opportunities which we took advantage of.

Yes, #73 was an outlier but you set yourself up. As billy said, stop speaking in absolutes. I simply meant that I expect some more teams from the Big East to compete for a spot.

#73 in the NET, but not in a normal seed list, which is what this is. On the seed list, St John's was #47, or the lowest team on the seed list since 2014.

It's going to be interesting, and it's a shame we didn't get information on it this year- on the impact of the 20 game schedules. ACC may have only gotten 4 teams in- and at least somewhat due to the 20 game schedule. Big Ten could easily have cost Purdue a spot with the 20 game schedule.

Are we really doing this again? LOL

I ain't mad about it. But if we land Nolley and the sit-out transfer rule is waived, watch out!

stever20 wrote:

adoraz wrote:

stever20 wrote:#50 wouldn't get in the tournament. There's always about 22 teams from smaller 1 bid conferences getting in the tournament- so 46 spots really available. Look at this years seed list- Xavier was the last at large at #46 from bracketville.

We got in last year at #73, so you better alert the Committee. Larger conference teams have more Q1 opportunities which we took advantage of.

Yes, #73 was an outlier but you set yourself up. As billy said, stop speaking in absolutes. I simply meant that I expect some more teams from the Big East to compete for a spot.

#73 in the NET, but not in a normal seed list, which is what this is. On the seed list, St John's was #47, or the lowest team on the seed list since 2014.

It's going to be interesting, and it's a shame we didn't get information on it this year- on the impact of the 20 game schedules. ACC may have only gotten 4 teams in- and at least somewhat due to the 20 game schedule. Big Ten could easily have cost Purdue a spot with the 20 game schedule.

OK Stever you got me. We'll be a 1 seed in the NIT and the 20 game schedule next year will cost the conference at least 1 bid in the Tournament.

Moving on...

Edrick wrote:Are we really doing this again? LOL

A little more on the absurdity of the yearly cognitive dissonance.

Here are Butler's Pomeroy scores for the past 5+ (generally goes up in the Tournament games, so 2020 gets an asterisk) years...

2015: 20th
2016: 30th
2017: 25th
2018: 20th
2019: 72nd
2020: 25th*

Butler is remarkably consistent from year-to-year. You can pretty much just assume every single year, that its going to be at the back half of the Top 25. Im not sure why this is so hard to figure out, its not like its that hard to look this stuff up.