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I don't get the love for Creighton based on the resume so far. Like was said in the piece the #178 SOS so far. Beaten 1 sure tourney team so far in Wisconsin. But besides them looking at RPI forecast- no one else in the top 90 OOC RPI.

stever20 wrote:I don't get the love for Creighton based on the resume so far. Like was said in the piece the #178 SOS so far. Beaten 1 sure tourney team so far in Wisconsin. But besides them looking at RPI forecast- no one else in the top 90 OOC RPI.

Not sure where they come up with that number, but I'll cite actual published numbers for CU's SOS as of today:

47 - CBS
42 - Warren Nolan
53 - ESPN

Even your own source has CU with a SOS of #42. Keep cherry picking stats though, it's what you're good at.

Let me know if you have any further questions Mr. 7341 posts.

well even using Warren Nolan, their OVERALL projected SOS is only 91, which is awful when you consider it includes conference play. Forgive me if I don't think the Creighton schedule is going to wind up being all that great- like I said only 1 tournament team and 1 team in the top 90.

In RPI forecast, their final overall SOS isn't as bad as Warren Nolan, only #48. But consider at the same time-
Villanova projected 17
Xavier 6
Butler 13
Seton Hall 41
Providence 35
Marquette 45
Georgetown 22
St John's 44
Only DePaul at 66 is projected to be worse. Creighton's schedule isn't close to Nova, Xavier, or Butler.

stever20 wrote:I don't get the love for Creighton based on the resume so far. Like was said in the piece the #178 SOS so far. Beaten 1 sure tourney team so far in Wisconsin. But besides them looking at RPI forecast- no one else in the top 90 OOC RPI.

SOS is 42 in WarrenNolan

stever20 wrote:I don't get the love for Creighton based on the resume so far. Like was said in the piece the #178 SOS so far. Beaten 1 sure tourney team so far in Wisconsin. But besides them looking at RPI forecast- no one else in the top 90 OOC RPI.

Always easy to say that a team doesn't deserve something but it's often hard to find the team(s) that you can justify ahead of them. You're right that their OOC scheduling has just been just OK. But they beat Wiscy somewhat comfortably and have been destroying other teams. Make a case for which teams you think deserve to be ahead of them and I bet each can be easily picked apart.

It's the ACC's fault. All da lub for the ACC, the high end of season projections for NC State (Yurtseven, Capita, & PG Dennis Smith), the return from concussion of their PF, etc., etc., etc. We're Not Worthy (Jays)... but we'll accept all da lub... and we'll keep winning-regardless. Perhaps folks would be happy if we were ranked in the 20-25 range - but it is what it is. Naysayers can hope for a tumble ala X, Mich St, Texas...

If my Jays are pretenders the upcoming games vs ASU, The Hall, and my favs - ol' 'Nova will definitely show the fallacy of the pollsters. Needless to point out, but all I see ahead is more W's for Creighton. Just my totally unbiased, objective, Jays homer opinion.

Still got fingers crossed, prayers being sent up, and candles burning for a Top 10, undefeated tilt vs The National Champion Villanova Wildcats, on New Years Eve @ the CLink! What a way to end the old year and bring in the new year. The CLink will be rocking, the beer flowing, and the atmosphere electric, in the Big O. Go Jays! Go Nova! Go Big East!

"Gonna have a party, baby...all night long". - Lionel Richie

GumbyDamnit! wrote:

stever20 wrote:I don't get the love for Creighton based on the resume so far. Like was said in the piece the #178 SOS so far. Beaten 1 sure tourney team so far in Wisconsin. But besides them looking at RPI forecast- no one else in the top 90 OOC RPI.

Always easy to say that a team doesn't deserve something but it's often hard to find the team(s) that you can justify ahead of them. You're right that their OOC scheduling has just been just OK. But they beat Wiscy somewhat comfortably and have been destroying other teams. Make a case for which teams you think deserve to be ahead of them and I bet each can be easily picked apart.

well looking at what's projected, Creighton's OOC RPI is projected to be only 4th just in the Big East..
Villanova #2
Xavier #7
Butler #8
Creighton #17

End of the year, Nova, X, and Butler's OOC opponents are going to help them far more than Creighton's OOC opponents. Even though X and Butler have loss(es)

stever20 wrote:well looking at what's projected, Creighton's OOC RPI is projected to be only 4th just in the Big East..
Villanova #2
Xavier #7
Butler #8
Creighton #17

End of the year, Nova, X, and Butler's OOC opponents are going to help them far more than Creighton's OOC opponents. Even though X and Butler have loss(es)

You're still stuck on projections. All that won't matter as much if the Jays take care of their own business in Conf. They finish 14-4 with wins vs Nova, X, Butler and SHU, something tells me they'll be in good RPI shape. And who knows what may happen with all their opponents games. One can't predict all February results in December.

GumbyDamnit! wrote:

stever20 wrote:well looking at what's projected, Creighton's OOC RPI is projected to be only 4th just in the Big East..
Villanova #2
Xavier #7
Butler #8
Creighton #17

End of the year, Nova, X, and Butler's OOC opponents are going to help them far more than Creighton's OOC opponents. Even though X and Butler have loss(es)

You're still stuck on projections. All that won't matter as much if the Jays take care of their own business in Conf. They finish 14-4 with wins vs Nova, X, Butler and SHU, something tells me they'll be in good RPI shape. And who knows what may happen with all their opponents games. One can't predict all February results in December.

In a double round robin conference like the Big East, it doesn't matter RPI wise who you beat/lose to. The only thing that will be impacted is your own record.

Bottom line- if Creighton goes 14-4, their RPI won't be as good as if Nova, Butler, or Xavier goes 14-4.
Xavier 14-4 would project to a 4.2 RPI
Butler 14-4 would project to a 5.6 or 8.2 RPI(OOC game dependent)
Villanova 14-4 would project to a 3.6 or 5.8 RPI(OOC game dependent)
Creighton 14-4 would project to a 9.5 RPI

Creighton going 14-4 might not even get them a 2 seed. It would pretty close to guarantee any of the other 3 a 2 seed, and with X and Nova, likely a 1 seed. They have a mediocre OOC SOS which

Also your bit on the game results is pretty funny. Your opponents game results- gets to be so much I mean 30 opponents with 30 games each gets up to around 900 games. So even if the projection is off by 1-2 games, it's not going to be a huge difference.