Money Question

[whiteandblue77]

Anyone know how to compare the Big East men's basketball revenues from our TV contract (@$4mil/year) with the $30 mil a year that the SEC's BASKETBALL programs get? i.e., how much of that $30 mil goes to football as opposed to basketball? Does it vary greatly from school to school? (i.e. maybe, just guessing, Kentucky allocates a quarter to basketball while Mississippi State gives 1/50th)... I've been trying to find these numbers online but I don't see them breaking it down anywhere.

[stever20]

Anyone know how to compare the Big East men's basketball revenues from our TV contract (@$4mil/year) with the $30 mil a year that the SEC's BASKETBALL programs get? i.e., how much of that $30 mil goes to football as opposed to basketball? Does it vary greatly from school to school? (i.e. maybe, just guessing, Kentucky allocates a quarter to basketball while Mississippi State gives 1/50th)... I've been trying to find these numbers online but I don't see them breaking it down anywhere.

I would think it would vary greatly from school to school.

I would say that Miss St with the Howland hire is giving more than any 1/50th.

[DudeAnon]

I think you can realistically put it around 80% to football 20% to basketball.

[gtmoBlue]

Article published today on 2014-15 Conference revenues. No breakout of expenses though.

http://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/the-5- ... ?a=viewall

The Dept of Education puts out numbers on Collegiate sports expenses...but those numbers can be gamed and manipulated in many ways.


This old numbers tally from ESPN (2008) shows... We take in X, but spend X1, and break even or a little better annually.

http://www.espn.com/ncaa/revenue

[marquette]

I've posted it here a few times so I'm not going to bother finding the article again but according to the AD at Boston College the ACC revenue split is 85% football. They are a basketball focused conference so I would assume most others are higher for football.

[David G]

Anyone know how to compare the Big East men's basketball revenues from our TV contract (@$4mil/year) with the $30 mil a year that the SEC's BASKETBALL programs get? i.e., how much of that $30 mil goes to football as opposed to basketball? Does it vary greatly from school to school? (i.e. maybe, just guessing, Kentucky allocates a quarter to basketball while Mississippi State gives 1/50th)... I've been trying to find these numbers online but I don't see them breaking it down anywhere.

I can't break it down by just the TV revenue because the SEC's TV deal is football, men's basketball, women's basketball, baseball, and women's soccer all lumped together. It's impossible to itemize which sport gets how much when the school, and not the sport, that gets the money. I can give you the total revenue and total expense for the SEC and Big East.

Understand just about every basketball program makes money. It has low overhead (for lack of a better term) in terms of the number of players and coaches, and it's the first or second most popular sport just about everywhere. No one loses money on it. That's why just about everyone has it.

Also understand that you mentioned the SEC specifically. Part of the overall generated revenue will include what the league made off of advertising and commercials during basketball games that aired on the SEC Network, as well as what the league made from the cable and satellite providers during the basketball season (January, February, and March). It's not necessarily a predetermined set amount the way it is for the Big East


The first figure is the expense. The second figure is the revenue. Last year's numbers aren't out yet, so this is for the 2014-2015 athletic year. 15-16 is basically due toward the end of 16-17, but it's enough to give you the idea....

Alabama - $7,164,296 $12,780,576
Arkansas - $8,425,122 $16,314,973
Auburn - $8,818,072 $11,185,840
Florida - $10,103,924 $10,407,574
Georgia - $5,933,136 $9,029,690
Kentucky - $20,009,991 $24,684,543
LSU - $6,062,843 $7,995,454
Mississippi State - $5,167,067 $6,322,580
Missouri - $5,746,352 $11,607,812
Ole Miss - $6,135,641 $7,906,206
South Carolina - $6,852,555 $8,795,178
Tennessee - $6,068,357 $16,927,676
Texas A&M - $6,876,558 $8,134,514
Vanderbilt - $9,919,002 $9,919,002 (I've heard that for Vandy specifically, basketball is basically told they don't have to share. Whatever they make is all theirs. Football pays for everything else).



Butler - $4,518,512 $4,518,512
Creighton - $6,533,960 $6,533,960
De Paul - $9,175,262 $9,175,262
Georgetown - $10,357,033 $10,357,033
Marquette - $9,062,732 $15,335,107
Providence - $7,308,255 $7,308,255
Seton Hall - $6,752,792 $6,752,792
Saint John's - 10,511,821 10,521,821
Villanova - $8,171,404 10,373,661
Xavier - $5,518,383 $12,378,923


It's not that surprising that Xavier makes that much. I know they have suites all the way around the arena, and those alone probably rake in a few million. What I didn't know is that they spent so little. They only spend $2.1 million total on coaching salaries, which isn't small for a non-P5 school, but for a school that makes over $12 million on the sport it kind of is. Perhaps they've raised that after last year, but still. They spend a lot on their other sports. I've never thought of Xavier as being a big player in baseball, soccer, volleyball, etc, but they are certainly well financed.

As you can see, for most of the Big East, what they make on basketball goes right back in to basketball.

[David G]

I mean....I just had to go back and check that again. That's about a 140% return for Xavier based on what they made versus what they spent. DAMN!!!! They need to teach a class!!

[whiteandblue77]

Thanks, yeah, Tennessee also looks like they cracked the code. Anyway, it shows that all the articles like the one Gtmo posted just don't apply to basketball. I know there can be an argument saying that "it's the same school," but I also know that all the Big East coaches and players prefer being the Alpha Top Dog of their respective athletic departments and campuses. You would imagine how annoying it would be for the b-ballers to have to share the weight room with a bunch of 315 lb football guards stinking up the place with steroid laced sweat.

Val is doing a great job so far and this conference is really impressive after just 3 years. Totally exceeded my expectations and they were pretty high.

[David G]

Tennessee hired a coach from Southern Miss, paid him less than what most SEC coaches would make, then fired him without having to buy him out due to the NCAA violations after what was a pretty exciting year for the team as far as fan support goes. So, that's somewhat of an anomaly, although Tennessee basketball typically does have a very high level of support. When they're good, they'll sell out every game in before the end of September.

[BEX]

Xavier has an "endowment for the head basketball coach". Not sure how that would skew the #'s for salaries:

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/ ... /21989653/

Also, we left a ton of ncaa units with the A-10 which didn't help.