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from Palm:
PC 4 South vs UC Irvine, then Kentucky/VCU-Spokane(Oklahoma 1)
SH 10 South vs Texas, then Virginia-Raleigh(Mich St 3)
Xavier 1 MW vs NM St, then Cal/Duke-St Louis(Baylor/Louisville)
Butler 8 E vs Indiana, then UNC- Raleigh(Md/Dayton 4/5)
Nova 2 E vs Princeton, then Pitt/Wich St- Brooklyn(WVU 3)

Pretty nasty for PC, Seton Hall, Butler.
Xavier gets Duke maybe in rd 2. Ouch.

Nova with a decent path. The only thing- I'm not sure that Nova would be a 2 and sent to the East in Philly. Don't think they like putting 1 seeds at disadvantage like that.....

Georgetown 4th team out right now.

It's a story in itself that Georgetown is on the bubble. If they could only beat Radford and UNCA.

I think pretty much anyone in the top 35 or so is capable of knocking off any top team this year. Real balanced all around.

I think styles will be huge. For instance, I think Seton Hall drawing Texas 1st round is just a brutal matchup for them... SH turns the ball over 19.5% of the time(#256). And they would be playing Texas- with Shaka Smart. They turn people over 19.1% of the time. Not a great combo at all.....

stever20 wrote:I think styles will be huge. For instance, I think Seton Hall drawing Texas 1st round is just a brutal matchup for them... SH turns the ball over 19.5% of the time(#256). And they would be playing Texas- with Shaka Smart. They turn people over 19.1% of the time. Not a great combo at all.....

I actually would sign up for Texas. Not that it would be an easy game, but I think they'd prefer that style. Sure they'll turn the ball over a bunch, but they'll force just as many. From watching SHU play, the teams they struggle with are the very structured, fundamentally sound ones- such as Creighton.

Hall2012 wrote:

stever20 wrote:I think styles will be huge. For instance, I think Seton Hall drawing Texas 1st round is just a brutal matchup for them... SH turns the ball over 19.5% of the time(#256). And they would be playing Texas- with Shaka Smart. They turn people over 19.1% of the time. Not a great combo at all.....

I actually would sign up for Texas. Not that it would be an easy game, but I think they'd prefer that style. Sure they'll turn the ball over a bunch, but they'll force just as many. From watching SHU play, the teams they struggle with are the very structured, fundamentally sound ones- such as Creighton.

Texas though protects the ball amongst the best in the country- only 15.7% of the time(#33 in the country). Seton Hall turns teams over 20% of the time(#78 in the country).

and while other teams may turn Seton Hall over- Smarts teams when they turn you over gets baskets....

stever20 wrote:
Pretty nasty for PC, Seton Hall, Butler.
Xavier gets Duke maybe in rd 2. Ouch.

Nova with a decent path. The only thing- I'm not sure that Nova would be a 2 and sent to the East in Philly. Don't think they like putting 1 seeds at disadvantage like that.....


I think Seton Hall drawing Texas 1st round is just a brutal matchup for them... SH turns the ball over 19.5% of the time(#256). And they would be playing Texas- with Shaka Smart. They turn people over 19.1% of the time. Not a great combo at all.....

WHY THE HELL AM I READING YET ANOTHER THREAD FROM SOMEONE WHO IS NOT A BIG EAST FAN, TALKING ABOUT FICTIONAL SCENARIOS THAT HAVE LESS THAN A 1% CHANCE OF HAPPENING, WHILE HE'S TRYING TO CONVINCE EVERYONE ELSE WHAT WILL DEFINITIVELY HAPPEN.

(hitting myself over the head with a ball-peen hammer)

Right now- PC being a 4 seed is about best case scenario for them. That's not a fictional scenario at all.

Just looking at bracket matrix with all brackets done yesterday(16 of them)....
Nova 1.1875
Xavier 1.5
PC 5.5
Butler 10.42
Seton Hall 11.36

I'm not saying that's what definitely will happen- but what Palm has is pretty close to a best case scenario seed wise(though Butler would GLADLY IMO take being a 10 over a 8 or 9 quite frankly).

You can act like PC being a 4 or 5 is fiction, but given ALL of their metrics, that's very realistic right now.

Stever, estimated seed positioning could have some relevance to some people, however, estimating match ups right now is laughable. Hell, estimating matchups even on the day before selection Sunday rarely work out.

Just a waste of time and not thread worthy.

adoraz wrote:Stever, estimated seed positioning could have some relevance to some people, however, estimating match ups right now is laughable. Hell, estimating matchups even on the day before selection Sunday rarely work out.

Just a waste of time and not thread worthy.

well lets do it like this...
PC 4 seed...
13 seeds are UC Irvine, Stony Brook, South Dakota St, San Diego St
5 seeds are Kentucky, Louisville, Purdue, Dayton
12 seeds are VCU, Chattanooga, UALR, PIG winner

SH 10 seed
7 seeds are Texas, South Carolina, Arizona, Pittsburgh
2 seeds are Virginia, Kansas, Iowa St, Villanova

Xavier 1 seed....
8 seeds are St Mary's, Cal, Texas Tech, Butler
9 seeds are Notre Dame, Duke, Washington, Indiana

Butler 8 seed
9 seeds above
1 seeds Oklahoma, Xavier, UNC, Iowa

Nova 2 seed
7 seeds above
10 seeds Seton Hall, Syracuse, Florida St, Wichita St

thing that is so evident with this- with almost all of these seeds, there's an easy path and a hard path depending on the exact matchup.....