[2013] ESPN somewhat new bracketology- no bracket-but Scurve

[stever20]

ESPNLunardi Joe Lunardi
S-Curve (thru Dec. 3, CAPS=AQ): 01-MSU; 02-ZONA; 03-CUSE; 04-UK; 05-KU; 06-VILLE; 07-OhioSt; 08-OkSt; 09-Wisc; 10-WICHST; 11-Memp; 12-UConn.
13-Duke; 14-Fla; 15-NOVA; 16-Iowa; 17-ZAGA; 18-Ore; 19-IowaSt; 20-Ucla; 21-Pitt; 22-Bay; 23-UMASS; 24-Unc; 25-SDSt; 26-Day; 27-Mich; 28-Vcu.
29-Creigh; 30-UVa; 31-Colo; 32-Ind; 33-NMex; 34-Byu; 35-Gtown; 36-HARV; 37-Cincy; 38-Tenn; 39-StL; 40-Lsu; 41-Stan; 42-StMary; 43-Minn.
44-FlaSt; 45-Marq; 46-Mizzou; 47-Boise; 48-Clem; 49-CHAR; 50-DREX; 51-BELM; 52-NMST; 53-OHIO; 54-IONA; 55-UCSB; 56-ULL; 57-MERC; 58-GBAY.
59-NDST; 60-BUCK; 61-NCCU; 62-BRYANT; 63-SFA; 64-WEBER; 65-STBROOK; 66-CHASSO; 67-ELON; 68-TEXSO.

ESPNLunardi Joe Lunardi
FIRST OUT: Illinois, Maryland, Notre Dame, Utah St. NEXT OUT: Geo Wash, Arkansas, Ariz St, Cal. FOUR MORE: Ole Miss, Oklahoma, Butler, SMU.

So looks like he's got Nova #15 on S-Curve(4 seed), then Creighton #29(8 seed), Georgetown #35(9 seed), and Marquette #45(12 seed in 1st 4).

Only Butler even in the first 12 out.

also from him on the insider:
The headline here is Marquette (S-Curve No. 45, "Last Four In"), the preseason conference favorite which has scuffled to a 5-3 start. Not one of the losses was bad -- Ohio State (home), Arizona State (away), San Diego State (neutral), but the best win (George Washington in Anaheim) may or may not hold up.

Worse, none of the new Big East's potential bubble teams -- Butler, Xavier, Providence and St. John's -- has played its way close to our next bracket. Villanova's extremely strong start is notable, but the league overall may struggle to out-bid deeper-than-expected outlooks for the American Athletic Conference and Atlantic 10.

[stever20]

notable that Lunardi had us with 5 preseason.

would rather have what the AAC has in terms of seeds...
6 Louisville
11 Memphis
12 UConn
37 Cincy

and SMU right behind Butler

[adoraz11]

notable that Lunardi had us with 5 preseason.

would rather have what the AAC has in terms of seeds...
6 Louisville
11 Memphis
12 UConn
37 Cincy

and SMU right behind Butler

same but it's not a good look for the conference knowing the best team is leaving next year, and two of those teams are trying to leave asap. Eliminate Lville, Uconn, and Cincy and the conference looks really awful. At least we aren't in danger of anyone leaving and are looking to expand. This may be our worst year in terms of bids.

[stever20]

notable that Lunardi had us with 5 preseason.

would rather have what the AAC has in terms of seeds...
6 Louisville
11 Memphis
12 UConn
37 Cincy

and SMU right behind Butler

same but it's not a good look for the conference knowing the best team is leaving next year, and two of those teams are trying to leave asap. Eliminate Lville, Uconn, and Cincy and the conference looks really awful. At least we aren't in danger of anyone leaving and are looking to expand. This may be our worst year in terms of bids.

UConn and Cincy aren't going anywhere soon at all. none of the P5 conferences are looking to expand. Marquette- you worry if they lose their game on Saturday if they may even be out of the next bracketology quite frankly!

And, we don't know at all if we're looking to expand or not.

And, I'm sorry, but to expect at least if/until we expand more than 4 bids- it's just not that easy. 5th/6th place teams aren't going to be regular tourney teams at all.

[stever20]

and the thing is, unless UConn and Cincy have left by March- you can bet that we will be compared to the AAC. And, even the AAC including Louisville. And- right now, it's not a good comparison for us at all.

[adoraz11]

I agree it isn't a good look at all for the BE. That said, we have a much brighter future. The AAC is built upon a terrible long term TV contract so I think Cincy and UConn will be the first teams to leave when the major conferences start looking for teams. Doesn't the ACC want to expand to 16 eventually? Thought I heard that somewhere.

Nobody knows for certain if or when we expand, but I think we expand to 12 next year especially if we have a poor showing in the tournament. You add some of the previously rumored teams into the equation (such as Dayton, VCU, or Gonzaga) and the BE would have looked a lot different this year. I think only having 10 teams is a big disadvantage for multiple reasons, including what you said about the round robin schedule.

[stever20]

I agree it isn't a good look at all for the BE. That said, we have a much brighter future. The AAC is built upon a terrible long term TV contract so I think Cincy and UConn will be the first teams to leave when the major conferences start looking for teams. Doesn't the ACC want to expand to 16 eventually? Thought I heard that somewhere.

Nobody knows for certain if or when we expand, but I think we expand to 12 next year especially if we have a poor showing in the tournament. You add some of the previously rumored teams into the equation (such as Dayton, VCU, or Gonzaga) and the BE would have looked a lot different this year. I think only having 10 teams is a big disadvantage for multiple reasons, including what you said about the round robin schedule.

The thing is that could be 5-6 years before any expansion takes place.

I always felt like if we had a bad enough season, expansion could take place quickly. I will say this as well- if A10 has
#23 UMass
#26 Dayton
#28 VCU
#39 SLU
with GW in the 5th spot out-

and is viewed favorably compared to the BE, that may make it even more pressing.

Of course, the thing that is so amazing- seeing Marquette where they are- and you can't argue it whatsoever.

[adoraz11]

I agree it isn't a good look at all for the BE. That said, we have a much brighter future. The AAC is built upon a terrible long term TV contract so I think Cincy and UConn will be the first teams to leave when the major conferences start looking for teams. Doesn't the ACC want to expand to 16 eventually? Thought I heard that somewhere.

Nobody knows for certain if or when we expand, but I think we expand to 12 next year especially if we have a poor showing in the tournament. You add some of the previously rumored teams into the equation (such as Dayton, VCU, or Gonzaga) and the BE would have looked a lot different this year. I think only having 10 teams is a big disadvantage for multiple reasons, including what you said about the round robin schedule.

The thing is that could be 5-6 years before any expansion takes place.

I always felt like if we had a bad enough season, expansion could take place quickly. I will say this as well- if A10 has
#23 UMass
#26 Dayton
#28 VCU
#39 SLU
with GW in the 5th spot out-

and is viewed favorably compared to the BE, that may make it even more pressing.

Of course, the thing that is so amazing- seeing Marquette where they are- and you can't argue it whatsoever.

yep there have been a lot of disappointing teams this year, especially Marquette. It was so critical for Nova to step up last week, we need at least one great team representing us at all times.

If the A10 outperforms us, that will definitely be of concern. Especially after taking two of their best teams last year.

[Omaha1]

yep there have been a lot of disappointing teams this year, especially Marquette. It was so critical for Nova to step up last week, we need at least one great team representing us at all times.

If the A10 outperforms us, that will definitely be of concern. Especially after taking two of their best teams last year.

We are a month into the season. A little early to be deeming a team disappointing don't you think? Dayton should have lost to IPFW if not for a freak ending. Would the maniacs be singing a different tune if they lost that game? Dayton has contributed nothing in terms of NCAA relevance ever as far as I can tell and I don't think them being ranked for 1 week in the last decase is going to change anything as far as the Big East goes.

[adoraz11]

We are a month into the season. A little early to be deeming a team disappointing don't you think? Dayton should have lost to IPFW if not for a freak ending. Would the maniacs be singing a different tune if they lost that game? Dayton has contributed nothing in terms of NCAA relevance ever as far as I can tell and I don't think them being ranked for 1 week in the last decase is going to change anything as far as the Big East goes.

Well we're already halfway through out of conference play with most of the big games (from the tournaments) behind us. So far it has been disappointing. I personally think things will get better, but just saying as of now only having one ranked team isn't how I expected us to do first month.