Bracketology

[murphy]

Lunardi just updated.....5 Big East teams although Butler and Seton Hall are part of last 4 in.

Nine of the Big East teams (and their fans) would be welcomed with open arms at a UD Arena play-in game, and enjoy a near home-court advantage against any opponent. By a huge margin, the Dayton Flyers have played more games against the Big East teams than any other team in the country.

Xavier’s November blow-out of Dayton in Orlando was the 333rd game between the Flyers and a Big East team.

Opponent – No. of Games Played

Xavier - 159 games
DePaul - 69 games
Marquette - 35 games
Butler - 21 games
Creighton – 10 games
St. John’s – 10 games
Seton Hall – 9 games
Villanova – 9 games
Providence – 8 games
Georgetown – 3 games

(sources: Dayton Flyers Men's Basketball and the Dayton Flyers 2014-15 Media Guide published by the UD Athletic Department).

what ? open arms to the BE at UD arena, are you insane. Since when would UD root for Georgetown (elite 8 winner against UD with Patrick Ewing), vs XU, self explanatory,
Providence (beat them last year, Cooleys tantrum), big rivals froom the 50's and 60's SHU, SJU, Marquette, Butler Creighton all hated teams by UD, what in the world are you smoking?

[Fieldhouse Flyer]

Eight of the BE schools I referred to are Catholic universities with whom Dayton has a shared history going back many decades. The Flyer Faithful root for such schools to beat any public university - particularly P5 conference schools. Butler is a private school and a neighbour - no hard feelings there.

Xavier would get a rather frosty reception at UD Arena under any circumstances. It's tradition.

[Hall2012]

That Marquette win over Providence was very helpful to the Hall. Puts them at 8-4 vs RPI 11-100. It would be very nice if the warriors could win enough games to stick in the top 100. The league finishing with 8 of 10 teams in the rpi top 100 would also make a solid case for getting a 5th and maybe even a 6th team into the tourney.

there is no such category as RPI 11-100. They are 8-7 vs the RPI 100.

Creighton must win 2 games to remain in the top 100......
Marquette must win 4 more games to remain in the top 100...... Out of 7 games to include the BET(and frankly may need 5 wins if they played St John's in the BET).

One thing for Seton Hall- if Georgetown beats Providence tomorrow, Georgetown won't move into the top 50, but PC could easily fall out of the top 50.....

Please, RPI "categories" are just for the media to quickly and easily summarize resumes. If you honestly believe that the committee will view 3 rpi top 10 losses equivalently to 3 rpi 90-100 losses, as you're suggesting, then I'm just at a loss for words...

[stever20]

That Marquette win over Providence was very helpful to the Hall. Puts them at 8-4 vs RPI 11-100. It would be very nice if the warriors could win enough games to stick in the top 100. The league finishing with 8 of 10 teams in the rpi top 100 would also make a solid case for getting a 5th and maybe even a 6th team into the tourney.

there is no such category as RPI 11-100. They are 8-7 vs the RPI 100.

Creighton must win 2 games to remain in the top 100......
Marquette must win 4 more games to remain in the top 100...... Out of 7 games to include the BET(and frankly may need 5 wins if they played St John's in the BET).

One thing for Seton Hall- if Georgetown beats Providence tomorrow, Georgetown won't move into the top 50, but PC could easily fall out of the top 50.....

Please, RPI "categories" are just for the media to quickly and easily summarize resumes. If you honestly believe that the committee will view 3 rpi top 10 losses equivalently to 3 rpi 90-100 losses, as you're suggesting, then I'm just at a loss for words...

but then you can say again about the quality of the wins over #99 Marquette *2, #87 Ole Miss, and even #86 Creighton. Right now, Seton Hall has 2 wins vs teams in the tourney- Wichita and PC. 3rd best win is vs Georgia. It's a thin resume right now.

[Hall2012]

but then you can say again about the quality of the wins over #99 Marquette *2, #87 Ole Miss, and even #86 Creighton. Right now, Seton Hall has 2 wins vs teams in the tourney- Wichita and PC. 3rd best win is vs Georgia. It's a thin resume right now.

I'm not saying they have a great resume- they're a bubble team for a reason. I just think you're stretching a bit to knock it more than it deserves to be. The two strikes against Seton Hall's resume are the large number of RPI 200+ opponents (also dragging down SHU's RPI) and the lack of elite wins. In games against teams ranging from "good" to "very good" they have a solid record.

[stever20]

but then you can say again about the quality of the wins over #99 Marquette *2, #87 Ole Miss, and even #86 Creighton. Right now, Seton Hall has 2 wins vs teams in the tourney- Wichita and PC. 3rd best win is vs Georgia. It's a thin resume right now.

I'm not saying they have a great resume- they're a bubble team for a reason. I just think you're stretching a bit to knock it more than it deserves to be. The two strikes against Seton Hall's resume are the large number of RPI 200+ opponents (also dragging down SHU's RPI) and the lack of elite wins. In games against teams ranging from "good" to "very good" they have a solid record.

Right now with where the teams are- don't know that you can say they have any very good wins. The Wichita and PC wins are good wins. PC is slipping rapidly and might not even be a quality win when all is said and done. The wins with teams like Georgia, Georgetown, Creighton, Ole Miss, and Marquette*2 are nice wins- but not in the good win category. Good wins are top 50 wins, and great wins are top 25 wins.

Here's the selection sheets right now:
https://rpiarchive.ncaa.org/Stats%20Lib ... Sheets.pdf

[BEwannabe]

Not sure why you continue to allow murphs incendiary posts. Big East teams hated by UD? Really? I'm sure X would receive some Bronx cheers and for the record I think it terribly unfair and a complete injustice for the NCAA to send X to the UD Arena to play an NCAA game. There will never be any doubt what side fans in the UD Arena will take versus X, it's good versus evil and I imagine even if ISIS had a team they would win the Flyer Faithful over vs X. I also think it terribly outside the spirit of the game for the NCAA to send an NCAA qualifier to UD to play the Flyers in the Arena.

Generally speaking, FF game in the UD Arena attract a completely different crowd than a UD home game. No student and the Red Sweater Vest Brigade is replaced by friends and family of corporate entertainers. In addition there is typically 500+ enlisted men (USAF).

Now you would have a hard time convincing Boise St it's not a typical UD crowd but UD's support is broad and creative at finding tickets. I'm a good example, season ticket holder for decades but never buy FF but was able to find 2 great lower bowl seats to the sold out FF game featuring UD-Boise St. Again generally speaking and I've been to well over 50 NCAA games at both the Arena and across USA, the underdog is the crowd favorite and I believe any Big East team traveling to Dayton will find their fair share of fans. Most certainly Butler, Butler is no stranger to the Miami Valley and Dayton fans. Cooley isn't going to be in Dayton but Providence would get a fair share of would you like some cheese with that whine.

[stever20]

USA Today before Fri games.....
Nova 1 E
Seton Hall 11 W
Xavier 3 MW
Providence 8 MW
Fox before Fri games....
Nova 1 E
Butler 12 E FF
Providence 7 E
Seton Hall 10 W
Xavier 3 S

doing a bracket matrix type thing with the big 4 that we use- USA Today, Fox, ESPN, CBS:
Nova 1.0
Xavier 2.75
Providence 7.00
Seton Hall 10.50 FF in 2 brackets
Butler 11.00(3 brackets) FF in 2 brackets

[BEX]

what ? open arms to the BE at UD arena, are you insane. Since when would UD root for Georgetown, vs XU, self explanatory,
Providence , big rivals froom the 50's and 60's SHU, SJU, Marquette, Butler Creighton all hated teams by UD, what in the world are you smoking?

Murph - we know you're still butthurt you didn't get in. Who cares who has to play @ UD? It's only an advantage if UD plays there. let's face it, if Boise had the First Four last year, you lose.

[Bluejay]

Pretty sure Murphy hates puppies, babies and his own momma.