Sun 11/24 BE Game Thread (2 Games)

[stever20]

I think it's pretty bad looking at the AP poll this week-
Creighton up 3 spots to #20. That's great
Marquette maintains at #25. givn they only beat NH by 5- not a big deal.

look at the others receiving votes
Villanova 16
Xavier 11
Georgetown 1(amazing, given VCU is #27)

Providence- who's had a great starts- not receiving votes.

UMass is in the poll this week- #24.

And no doubt about it, PC has played as well as any of the teams receiving votes, but as I said days ago, PC does not have the brand name nationally to make coaches want to give them votes. Unfortunately when your name doesn't roll off the tongue as easily as some other big schools, you have to do a lot more to prove yourself. That's why I said PC needs 2 ranked wins and an undefeated record vs. cupcakes to get in the top 25. The teams that have historically been ranked consistently have a much easier time entering and staying in the top 25.

was Umass ranked that much higher than Providence entering the season? I think it's a joke that Providence didn't get even 1 ap vote. coaches a smidge better. I wasn't expecting them to get ranked but to at least have 4-5 votes in both polls.

[Lavinwood]

I think it's pretty bad looking at the AP poll this week-
Creighton up 3 spots to #20. That's great
Marquette maintains at #25. givn they only beat NH by 5- not a big deal.

look at the others receiving votes
Villanova 16
Xavier 11
Georgetown 1(amazing, given VCU is #27)

Providence- who's had a great starts- not receiving votes.

UMass is in the poll this week- #24.

And no doubt about it, PC has played as well as any of the teams receiving votes, but as I said days ago, PC does not have the brand name nationally to make coaches want to give them votes. Unfortunately when your name doesn't roll off the tongue as easily as some other big schools, you have to do a lot more to prove yourself. That's why I said PC needs 2 ranked wins and an undefeated record vs. cupcakes to get in the top 25. The teams that have historically been ranked consistently have a much easier time entering and staying in the top 25.

was Umass ranked that much higher than Providence entering the season? I think it's a joke that Providence didn't get even 1 ap vote. coaches a smidge better. I wasn't expecting them to get ranked but to at least have 4-5 votes in both polls.

Agreed. But UMass has been a very dangerous team for a while. PC is just as good though...

[Bluejay]

Honestly, I think PC suffered because their game was late last evening. Fair or not, I think a lot of voters send in their votes earlier in the day....

UMass also got a nod because they won their tourney. Because of timing only, PC can't win their tourney until tonight. Sometimes timing just plain sucks.

[stever20]

I don't have time to look this up:

What is the ACC's record versus:
-Top 25 teams.
-Top 50 teams.
-Top 100 teams.
-Top 200 teams.

What is the Big East's record versus:
-Top 25 teams.
-Top 50 teams.
-Top 100 teams.
-Top 200 teams.

I don't have the time either right now. But I will say- a win like yesterday UNC beating Louisville speaks higher than anything we've done yet. Also- with a 15 team conference vs a 10 team conference- you can kind of throw away some teams. A bad ACC team doesn't hurt the conference anywhere near as much as a bad Big East team(or AAC, Big 12).

[stever20]

Honestly, I think PC suffered because their game was late last evening. Fair or not, I think a lot of voters send in their votes earlier in the day....

UMass also got a nod because won their tourney. Because of timing only, PC can't win their tourney until tonight. Sometimes timing just plain sucks.

I think there's probably something to that. I'm not saying that PC should be ranked yet- but just receiving some votes!!!! I wonder if some took the first 30 minutes vs Vandy and dinged them some for that.

[marquette]

I don't have the time either right now. But I will say- a win like yesterday UNC beating Louisville speaks higher than anything we've done yet. Also- with a 15 team conference vs a 10 team conference- you can kind of throw away some teams. A bad ACC team doesn't hurt the conference anywhere near as much as a bad Big East team(or AAC, Big 12).

Big 12 has 10 schools, same as us. It gets confusing since the Big 12 is at 10 and the B1G is currently at 12 (next year 14).

[stever20]

I don't have the time either right now. But I will say- a win like yesterday UNC beating Louisville speaks higher than anything we've done yet. Also- with a 15 team conference vs a 10 team conference- you can kind of throw away some teams. A bad ACC team doesn't hurt the conference anywhere near as much as a bad Big East team(or AAC, Big 12).

Big 12 has 10 schools, same as us. It gets confusing since the Big 12 is at 10 and the B1G is currently at 12 (next year 14).

lol- I know. I was saying that they are in the same boat as us and the AAC right now- in that a bad team hurts one of our conferences more than a ACC who has 15 teams.

[marquette]

I don't have the time either right now. But I will say- a win like yesterday UNC beating Louisville speaks higher than anything we've done yet. Also- with a 15 team conference vs a 10 team conference- you can kind of throw away some teams. A bad ACC team doesn't hurt the conference anywhere near as much as a bad Big East team(or AAC, Big 12).

Big 12 has 10 schools, same as us. It gets confusing since the Big 12 is at 10 and the B1G is currently at 12 (next year 14).

lol- I know. I was saying that they are in the same boat as us and the AAC right now- in that a bad team hurts one of our conferences more than a ACC who has 15 teams.

Yep, just reread your post. Brain fart on my part.

[hoyahooligan]

I don't have time to look this up:

What is the ACC's record versus:
-Top 25 teams.
-Top 50 teams.
-Top 100 teams.
-Top 200 teams.

What is the Big East's record versus:
-Top 25 teams.
-Top 50 teams.
-Top 100 teams.
-Top 200 teams.

I don't have the time either right now. But I will say- a win like yesterday UNC beating Louisville speaks higher than anything we've done yet. Also- with a 15 team conference vs a 10 team conference- you can kind of throw away some teams. A bad ACC team doesn't hurt the conference anywhere near as much as a bad Big East team(or AAC, Big 12).

BS!

The ACC and other leagues always used the BE's size against them saying they weren't as good as pundits claimed because they had so many teams so it was easy to have so many good teams and that the bottom dwellers should count against us. Now we get to turn it on them.

[stever20]

I don't have time to look this up:

What is the ACC's record versus:
-Top 25 teams.
-Top 50 teams.
-Top 100 teams.
-Top 200 teams.

What is the Big East's record versus:
-Top 25 teams.
-Top 50 teams.
-Top 100 teams.
-Top 200 teams.

I don't have the time either right now. But I will say- a win like yesterday UNC beating Louisville speaks higher than anything we've done yet. Also- with a 15 team conference vs a 10 team conference- you can kind of throw away some teams. A bad ACC team doesn't hurt the conference anywhere near as much as a bad Big East team(or AAC, Big 12).

BS!

The ACC and other leagues always used the BE's size against them saying they weren't as good as pundits claimed because they had so many teams so it was easy to have so many good teams and that the bottom dwellers should count against us. Now we get to turn it on them.

The thing is- for RPI purposes for instance- a bad RPI team doesn't hurt anywhere near as much in any 15 team conference playing most teams 1x than it does in a 10 team conference playing round robin. We gerrymandered the schedule to avoid the top teams playing DePaul for instance. I mean- it's no accident the last few years- Georgetown played Seton Hall 5 times in 5 years, USF 6 times in 5 years(1 being tournament), DePaul 5 times in 5 years, and Providence 6 times in 5 years. Meanwhile, we played Cincy 9 times in 5 years-2 in tourney, Marquette 9 times in 5 years- 1 in tourney, Syracuse 11 times in 5 years- 2 in tourney. It's not an accident that happened.