Conference of the Americas......one-bid

[ecasadoSBU]

I also think a 9-9 Big East team (any of X, Nova, Prov, Butler, SH, Marquette) should have no problem making the NCAA tourney. The conference is perceived as solid and even ESPN is realizing is the best or one of the best so far. 9-9 in the Big East and 10-2 or 11-1 OOC should be enough to get you in. A win in the BET should solidify that.

[GumbyDamnit!]

also, would say the gap hasn't widened this year.... Did you forget last year? AAC was #10 behind A10, MVC, and WCC in Ken Pom This year #7. Big East last year #3, this year #5.

In RPI- last year BE #2, AAC #8. This year BE #3 AAC #9(and we're not done yet).

The only reason why you could say the gap has widened is the top teams.

We have 5 teams, that are eligible for the postseason, in the RPI top 50. The AAC has 0 eligible teams in the Top 70. The BE has had FOUR different teams ranked in the Top 10 this year. AAC's lone team isn't eligible for postseason.

You guys are competing with the Colonial and Summit conferences. We are competing with the B1G, BigXII and ACC. Digest that for a moment.

Real Time RPI:
1 Big 12 0.5906
2 Pacific-12 0.5849
3 Big East 0.5807
4 Southeastern 0.5751
5 Atlantic Coast 0.5732
6 Big Ten 0.5555
7 Atlantic 10 0.5395
8 Colonial Athletic 0.5255
9 American Athletic 0.5198
10 Summit 0.5157
11 Mountain West 0.5129
12 Big West 0.5122

BE gap to #1 conference = 0.0101
AAC's gap to #12 conference = 0.0076
Perspective: The gap between AAC and BE = .0609

So the gap between the BE and the AAC is 6x larger than the gap between BE and the #1 conf spot. Conversely the AAC is .01 away from being the 12th best BB conf. THAT is pathetic.

But you're right the gap is so narrow these days.

[mel ott]

Stever, I am waiting to read how you respond to Gumby's summary. It is a pretty simple summary of the big picture. Huge gap between those leagues.

[stever20]

so much stuff wrong here it's not funny...

1st off... the individual games do not matter. If everyone finishes 9-9, everyone would be adding in 160-160 to their opponents category, and everyone would be adding in 1280-1280 to their opponents opponents category. It wouldn't matter if Nova lost to St John's 2x and DePaul 2x, and beat X 2x and Butler 2x. It just doesn't matter. AAC is a smidge different because of the slight non-round robin. But still- pretty close.

as far as Marquette, Seton Hall. Seton Hall would be 19-11 with a 59.2 RPI. They I think would be in, but may need a win in the BET.
Now with Marquette. You are saying they beat Nova, Butler, and X at least once each. I'll assume a split in the head to head.... So right there, both teams are 4-6. That means going 5-3 against the other 4 teams. Could get into bad loss category pretty easily.

Marquette's problem is their overall SOS. It's over 100. OOC SOS in the 335 range. RPI at 9-9 would be 93. Sorry- but that profile doesn't get teams in the tourney. Not at all. Also, if Butler has lost to both Seton Hall and Marquette, they would need to go 9-5 to finish in the top 25 against the rest of the conference- including games with Nova and PC. PC would need to go 8-6 to finish in the top 25. No guarantee either of those would happen. So you don't know that they would have 3 RPI top 25 wins at the end of the season at all whatsoever. So would not say it's likely that Marquette would be in at all with a 9-9 record. I don't think even Marquette folks would say that quite frankly.

Individual teams make the tourney not conference. You can't just say a 9-9 Big East team is automatic in the tourney. No way no how. If Marquette had actually scheduled not even great but just decent, they would probably be in quite frankly.

Gumby, the gap was LARGER last season. MUCH larger. Maybe not in RPI, but definitely in Ken Pom- which is where things are going more and more. In KP- the gap is only .1060. Last year that gap was a whopping .2262. Advanced metrics meaning more and more and more.

[Westbrook#36]

Stever, I am waiting to read how you respond to Gumby's summary. It is a pretty simple summary of the big picture. Huge gap between those leagues.

Oh don't you worry, stever will be back to defend the honor of aac from us infidels. He will simply flip to page 2 of his standard operating procedure and use plan B, ... move the goalposts.

[Xudash]

also, would say the gap hasn't widened this year.... Did you forget last year? AAC was #10 behind A10, MVC, and WCC in Ken Pom This year #7. Big East last year #3, this year #5.

In RPI- last year BE #2, AAC #8. This year BE #3 AAC #9(and we're not done yet).

The only reason why you could say the gap has widened is the top teams.

We have 5 teams, that are eligible for the postseason, in the RPI top 50. The AAC has 0 eligible teams in the Top 70. The BE has had FOUR different teams ranked in the Top 10 this year. AAC's lone team isn't eligible for postseason.

You guys are competing with the Colonial and Summit conferences. We are competing with the B1G, BigXII and ACC. Digest that for a moment.

Real Time RPI:
1 Big 12 0.5906
2 Pacific-12 0.5849
3 Big East 0.5807
4 Southeastern 0.5751
5 Atlantic Coast 0.5732
6 Big Ten 0.5555
7 Atlantic 10 0.5395
8 Colonial Athletic 0.5255
9 American Athletic 0.5198
10 Summit 0.5157
11 Mountain West 0.5129
12 Big West 0.5122

BE gap to #1 conference = 0.0101
AAC's gap to #12 conference = 0.0076
Perspective: The gap between AAC and BE = .0609

So the gap between the BE and the AAC is 6x larger than the gap between BE and the #1 conf spot. Conversely the AAC is .01 away from being the 12th best BB conf. THAT is pathetic.

But you're right the gap is so narrow these days.

Let's put Gumby's post in historical perspective.

Think in terms of the Great Marianas Turkey Shoot in the Pacific Theatre of WWII.

Gumby is playing the role of the Americans.

stever is flying the Jap planes.

[Xudash]

Stever, I am waiting to read how you respond to Gumby's summary. It is a pretty simple summary of the big picture. Huge gap between those leagues.

Oh don't you worry, stever will be back to defend the honor of aac from us infidels. He will simply flip to page 2 of his standard operating procedure and use plan B, ... move the goalposts.

Yet the more he does that in the face of insurmountable data, the more ridiculous he looks. He's Floundering his way through life at this point, at least when it comes to arguing against the Big East.

[GoldenWarrior11]

Navy defeats Pittsburgh in the Military Bowl, making the American 1-5 in bowl games. That leaves Memphis (Auburn) and Houston (Florida State) as remaining AAC bowl games.

Kind of ironic that the only victory has come from it's lone football-only member.

[stever20]

Navy defeats Pittsburgh in the Military Bowl, making the American 1-5 in bowl games. That leaves Memphis (Auburn) and Houston (Florida State) as remaining AAC bowl games.

Kind of ironic that the only victory has come from it's lone football-only member.

And if Memphis beats Auburn, the conference likely winds up with 3 top 25 teams(regardless of what happens with Houston).

[ecasadoSBU]

Navy defeats Pittsburgh in the Military Bowl, making the American 1-5 in bowl games. That leaves Memphis (Auburn) and Houston (Florida State) as remaining AAC bowl games.

Kind of ironic that the only victory has come from it's lone football-only member.

And if Memphis beats Auburn, the conference likely winds up with 3 top 25 teams(regardless of what happens with Houston).

...and what exactly does top 25 finishes mean in college football... if you are out of the top 10 then it means nothing... no CFP, no NY6...