UPDATE: Louisville Escorts ---> 2016 Postseason Ban...

[stever20]

last 10 years of Crum's career- they went to the tourney 8 times and made the sweet 16 4 times. Last year he was only 12-19- but that's it.

Louisville is FAR FAR FAR different than UNLV or Arkansas. according to sports reference- Louisville is the #10 winning program of all time. 10 final 4's and 3 titles.

I'd say their state rival- Kentucky- was able to regain their credibility after their problems in the 80's. When you are at a place like a Louisville or Kentucky- you can do it.

[Bill Marsh]

Just to add one other point.

Louisville has made an enormous mistake by not cutting ties with Pitino immediately. They had the opportunity to disassociate themselves from what happened. They didn't. Now they own it. It's theirs, not just Pitino's.

[GumbyDamnit!]

Interesting comparison to UNLV Bill. They tried to do anything they could to retain their luster after Tark--even hired Rollie away from Nova thinking that his sterling record with the NCAA (had a 100% grad rate at the time I believe), and his NC ring would do the trick. They struggled. It is very tough to follow a legend, even if you are a legend yourself. UCLA & Indiana also very good examples. I'd add John Chaney and Temple, Calipari @ Memphis and Umass, Carnesseca @ SJU, etc. It'll be interesting to see what happens with Hopkins at Syracuse. Will he be more like Kevin Ollie or will they struggle?

I guess at L'ville either can happen, or both can happen. Like UK they can keep hiring and firing until they find the right guy. For every Tubby Smith and John Calipari there is a Billy Gillespie who looks to be the real deal but is not ready for prime time. Marshall and Shaka and Buzz could all fit that category, where they might find the grass isn't always greener.

Side story. One of my frat brothers at Nova was a BB student mgr. while there, and he followed Rollie to UNLV as a grad asst. I believe. I took a trip out to Vegas to visit him and who drops by his apartment to see him while we where there? None other than Jay Wright. Who would have guessed 20+ years later the same guy, sans the million dollar wardrobe, would be leading my Cats. Small world.

[DudeAnon]

Having been a KY resident my whole life, let me tell you that nobody gave a shit about UL basketball before Pitino.

[billyjack]

Bill's comparison to UNLV is a good one.

UNLV was outstanding when Tarkanian left. We really should compare '92 UNLV with '15 Louisville, and UNLV in 89-90-91-92 was actually bigger than UL, the Runnin Rebels, cooler, glitzier, the rage, and coming off a better run. They (UNLV) were the Miami Hurricanes of the college hoops world thru 1992 (well, they had a postseason ban in 92).

But it took them 15 years and at least 5 coaches (and many fill-in coaches) before Lon Kruger got them out of the NCAA first round, and they still haven't regained their Tarkanian mojo completely. From 93 to 06, 14 seasons, UNLV earned only 2 NCAA bids.

In Denny Crum's last 4 years at Louisville his fanbase wanted to run him out of town. For that matter, in '12, the Louisville fanbase was close to dumping Pitino himself (after losing at PC by 30... who knows, that PC loss may have resulted in an uptick in lapdances).

Crum's last 4 years with Louisville:
1998: 12-20 (5-11 in C-USA).
1999: 19-11 (11-5 in C-USA, lost first round NCAA to Gonzaga).
2000: 19-12 (10-6 in C-USA, lost first round NCAA to Creighton).
2001: 12-19 (8-8 in C-USA).

[Bill Marsh]

Bill's comparison to UNLV is a good one.

UNLV was outstanding when Tarkanian left. We really should compare '92 UNLV with '15 Louisville, and UNLV in 89-90-91-92 was actually bigger than UL, the Runnin Rebels, cooler, glitzier, the rage, and coming off a better run. They (UNLV) were the Miami Hurricanes of the college hoops world thru 1992 (well, they had a postseason ban in 92).

But it took them 15 years and at least 5 coaches (and many fill-in coaches) before Lon Kruger got them out of the NCAA first round, and they still haven't regained their Tarkanian mojo completely. From 93 to 06, 14 seasons, UNLV earned only 2 NCAA bids.

In Denny Crum's last 4 years at Louisville his fanbase wanted to run him out of town. For that matter, in '12, the Louisville fanbase was close to dumping Pitino himself (after losing at PC by 30... who knows, that PC loss may have resulted in an uptick in lapdances).

Crum's last 4 years with Louisville:
1998: 12-20 (5-11 in C-USA).
1999: 19-11 (11-5 in C-USA, lost first round NCAA to Gonzaga).
2000: 19-12 (10-6 in C-USA, lost first round NCAA to Creighton).
2001: 12-19 (8-8 in C-USA).

Billy Jack, I remember being in Providence for a game between the Friars and the Rebels back in the day. I couldn't believe how well UNLV traveled. I forget where I was eating before the game but there were a whole bunch of Rebels fans in the restaurant with their red sweaters and other Rebels paraphernalia. Very visible and very impressive. They were something special as a basketball program back then.

[billyjack]

Bill's comparison to UNLV is a good one.

UNLV was outstanding when Tarkanian left. We really should compare '92 UNLV with '15 Louisville, and UNLV in 89-90-91-92 was actually bigger than UL, the Runnin Rebels, cooler, glitzier, the rage, and coming off a better run. They (UNLV) were the Miami Hurricanes of the college hoops world thru 1992 (well, they had a postseason ban in 92).

But it took them 15 years and at least 5 coaches (and many fill-in coaches) before Lon Kruger got them out of the NCAA first round, and they still haven't regained their Tarkanian mojo completely. From 93 to 06, 14 seasons, UNLV earned only 2 NCAA bids.

In Denny Crum's last 4 years at Louisville his fanbase wanted to run him out of town. For that matter, in '12, the Louisville fanbase was close to dumping Pitino himself (after losing at PC by 30... who knows, that PC loss may have resulted in an uptick in lapdances).

Crum's last 4 years with Louisville:
1998: 12-20 (5-11 in C-USA).
1999: 19-11 (11-5 in C-USA, lost first round NCAA to Gonzaga).
2000: 19-12 (10-6 in C-USA, lost first round NCAA to Creighton).
2001: 12-19 (8-8 in C-USA).

Billy Jack, I remember being in Providence for a game between the Friars and the Rebels back in the day. I couldn't believe how well UNLV traveled. I forget where I was eating before the game but there were a whole bunch of Rebels fans in the restaurant with their red sweaters and other Rebels paraphernalia. Very visible and very impressive. They were something special as a basketball program back then.

That was in the Gordie Chiesa nightmare season... yikes!
But right, UNLV had a national following with their running and gunning...!
Hopefully you were enjoying dinner at the Old Canteen or Mediterraneo...!

[Jet915]

Just to add one other point.

Louisville has made an enormous mistake by not cutting ties with Pitino immediately. They had the opportunity to disassociate themselves from what happened. They didn't. Now they own it. It's theirs, not just Pitino's.

They rehired Bobby Petrino. That just tells u what their priorities are.

[stever20]

just saw this:
http://www.mwcconnection.com/2016/1/16/ ... itino-unlv

looks like Pitino may be interested in going to UNLV. Wonder if he's been told this year is it for him at Louisville.

[stever20]

just saw this:
Louisville press conference set at 1:30 today with Rick Pitino, school president and AD Tom Jurich.

interesting.....