NET Rankings

[Xavier4036]

For Big East teams- this weekend is crucial.... .

First, you argued the margin of victory in opening night games in November against low/mid major teams was crucial to the Big East. Now, it's Saturday December 8th is crucial to the Big East. You do understand Selection Sunday is not for another 3 months? The NET ratings are going to wildly change over the next 3 months. Just enjoy the holiday season, the bowl games and the non-conference basketball games.

Second, this weekend or next weekend or the next is crucial for SEC teams. This weekend is crucial for ACC teams, Big 10 teams and on. It is not just "crucial" for Big East teams only.

Some perspective would be nice. Big East is a top 2-3 league annually. Has sent up to 70% of conference to NCAA in a given year, averages about 56% of conference. 2 out of last 3 national champions. Like-minded, private, academically strong, basketball focused institutions. Great FOX contract. MSG..... The Big East can withstand a down-year, Steve. So no, a group of games in December is not crucial to the conference.

[adoraz]

As soon as adoraz listed NET #20 Pitt, they immediately lose to NET #259 Niagara...

Yep I knew they weren't legit

[stever20]

For Big East teams- this weekend is crucial.... .

First, you argued the margin of victory in opening night games in November against low/mid major teams was crucial to the Big East. Now, it's Saturday December 8th is crucial to the Big East. You do understand Selection Sunday is not for another 3 months? The NET ratings are going to wildly change over the next 3 months. Just enjoy the holiday season, the bowl games and the non-conference basketball games.

Second, this weekend or next weekend or the next is crucial for SEC teams. This weekend is crucial for ACC teams, Big 10 teams and on. It is not just "crucial" for Big East teams only.

Some perspective would be nice. Big East is a top 2-3 league annually. Has sent up to 70% of conference to NCAA in a given year, averages about 56% of conference. 2 out of last 3 national champions. Like-minded, private, academically strong, basketball focused institutions. Great FOX contract. MSG..... The Big East can withstand a down-year, Steve. So no, a group of games in December is not crucial to the conference.

If the Big East went 2-6 with the losses that they're projected to get....
DePaul with 2nd loss
Seton Hall with 4th loss
Xavier with 4th loss
Georgetown with 2nd loss
Marquette with 3rd loss
Creighton with 3rd loss

That's not good for getting a lot of teams in the tourney.

Also I said nights like the opening night were big for the conference.. Like it or not MOV against mid majors and bad teams DOES matter no matter how much you don't want it to be.... You can say selection Sunday is 4 months away- BUT how teams do in the OOC absolutely controls how many teams get in the tourney. This weekend isn't crucial for the league 5 years from now, but it is absolutely positively huge for THIS season.

Lastly, the Big East was a top 2-3 league annually in the RPI. The RPI IS dead.

[adoraz]

For Big East teams- this weekend is crucial.... .

First, you argued the margin of victory in opening night games in November against low/mid major teams was crucial to the Big East. Now, it's Saturday December 8th is crucial to the Big East. You do understand Selection Sunday is not for another 3 months? The NET ratings are going to wildly change over the next 3 months. Just enjoy the holiday season, the bowl games and the non-conference basketball games.

Second, this weekend or next weekend or the next is crucial for SEC teams. This weekend is crucial for ACC teams, Big 10 teams and on. It is not just "crucial" for Big East teams only.

Some perspective would be nice. Big East is a top 2-3 league annually. Has sent up to 70% of conference to NCAA in a given year, averages about 56% of conference. 2 out of last 3 national champions. Like-minded, private, academically strong, basketball focused institutions. Great FOX contract. MSG..... The Big East can withstand a down-year, Steve. So no, a group of games in December is not crucial to the conference.

If the Big East went 2-6 with the losses that they're projected to get....
DePaul with 2nd loss
Seton Hall with 4th loss
Xavier with 4th loss
Georgetown with 2nd loss
Marquette with 3rd loss
Creighton with 3rd loss

That's not good for getting a lot of teams in the tourney.

Also I said nights like the opening night were big for the conference.. Like it or not MOV against mid majors and bad teams DOES matter no matter how much you don't want it to be.... You can say selection Sunday is 4 months away- BUT how teams do in the OOC absolutely controls how many teams get in the tourney. This weekend isn't crucial for the league 5 years from now, but it is absolutely positively huge for THIS season.

Lastly, the Big East was a top 2-3 league annually in the RPI. The RPI IS dead.

This clown is either trolling or doesn't understand statistics lol. Stever, for the 1000th time MOV any given game is statistically insignificant. If Georgetown beats cupcake team Z by 5 points rather than 10+ it won't impact anything. Absolutely nothing. For the third time, nothing. Now, if Georgetown made that a trend throughout the entire season, then yes it'd have some merit. For the vast majority of teams, that won't be the case. Further, the committee has ALWAYS used advanced metrics when it comes to seeding. You should know this.

The only reason Xavier4036 is listing RPI is because NET conference ratings aren't available (again, you know this). Shocker, but we're going pretty well in NET too.

When you say "crucial" it's an obvious scare tactic. It means that nothing truly good could come from winning, because that needs to happen. But obviously, if the teams lose... oh boy. It's the demise of the league!

You started this year by assuming it'd be a major down year, which it hasn't been. You assumed we wouldn't win all these cupcake games, let alone by 10+ points as we usually do. Then once we exceeded expectations, you focused on the games we were only slightly favored in. Shocker again, we won most of them.

Now it's pretty apparent we'll have yet another solid year, even when you think we have no right to. So now you're talking up games we're EXPECTED to lose. That way, you can't be wrong.

You think you're sneaky, but we all see through what you're doing.

[whiteandblue77]

I'm still going by massey still, it's the best free site out there (won't look at NET until february). Today in the M-ratings the lowest rated Big East team is 85, not sure if that's the highest for our #10 team since the reconstruction but I think this year is an example of the entire conference stepping up their game...

BUT--since we are the 4th rated conference after the ACC and ahead of the SEC--we not quite close enough, and are a tad under my hopes for the year thus far.. I think with about 4 close games swinging the other way we would be ahead of the B1G and at the top of the conference computer rankings.

That's impressive for a down year. This next couple weeks give us a lot of difficult away games with the F5 so as long as we win a couple we aren't supposed to I think we will have a good chance to keep in the 5-6 bid range.

Kudos to the Big East so far, but we have a lot of room for improvement.

[stever20]

1 thing the NCAA has is a nitty gritty sheet. On that they have average NET opponent- and then that ranked.... So kind of like SOS so far.... St John's for instance- average opponent is 189. That ranks 219th of all teams....

thru yesterday
St John's #32 NET/219 NET Opp rating/137 RPI SOS
Marquette #34/39/17
Villanova #35/177/84
Creighton #44/10/6
Butler #52/55/71
Georgetown #57/137/110
Xavier #63/11/57
DePaul #69/263/243
Seton Hall #86/19/19
Providence #101/165/85

avg net opponent rating- 109.5
avg RPI SOS- 82.9

it'll be interesting to see the team sheets when the NCAA starts to release them to see if this average NET opponent is used like SOS was before.

The one that is interesting is Georgetown. Everyone thought their schedule wasn't good. But It's where it is right now- and remaining opponents are 16-16 so far vs D1 schools. Could they have a bit more wiggle room than folks thought to make the tourney?

[adoraz]

1 thing the NCAA has is a nitty gritty sheet. On that they have average NET opponent- and then that ranked.... So kind of like SOS so far.... St John's for instance- average opponent is 189. That ranks 219th of all teams....

thru yesterday
St John's #32 NET/219 NET Opp rating/137 RPI SOS
Marquette #34/39/17
Villanova #35/177/84
Creighton #44/10/6
Butler #52/55/71
Georgetown #57/137/110
Xavier #63/11/57
DePaul #69/263/243
Seton Hall #86/19/19
Providence #101/165/85

avg net opponent rating- 109.5
avg RPI SOS- 82.9

it'll be interesting to see the team sheets when the NCAA starts to release them to see if this average NET opponent is used like SOS was before.

The one that is interesting is Georgetown. Everyone thought their schedule wasn't good. But It's where it is right now- and remaining opponents are 16-16 so far vs D1 schools. Could they have a bit more wiggle room than folks thought to make the tourney?

This is a helpful tool. Keep in mind though, a huge factor isn't included in opponent rankings- away/neutral games. SJU for example already has 4 of them. So that metric isn't as good as SOS.

I looked earlier today and saw Houston opponents were ranked somewhere in the 300s btw. Not trying to knock Houston as I think they'll be a good team when they play better competition, but I still believe NET favors eating up cupcakes.

[ecasadoSBU]

I just noticed that WarrenNolan added the NET ratings. That's great!

[GoldenWarrior11]

With Providence's win over BC last night, I believe the Big East is the only conference (along with the B1G) to have each and every member in the top-100 in NET.

[FriarJ]

With Providence's win over BC last night, I believe the Big East is the only conference (along with the B1G) to have each and every member in the top-100 in NET.

PC had a big jump to #71