To SactownDog

[Sactowndog]

I think this should be emphasized again. Honestly, even Nova only does basketball because it (1) generates $ to cover the cost of the athletic dept, (2) generates free national media and (3) generates alumni engagement/donations, all of which ultimately serve to try to improve the academic situation of the university. That's the goal, not winning for the sake of winning. In fact, I've heard our President talk about how much the free advertising from last year's run was estimated to be worth. With that lens, the academic quality of peer institutions matters... a lot.

My head hurts after reading the nonsense in this thread. Remember, we're talking about schools, not NBA franchises.

Those things go away either entirely or to a substantial degree if you aren't on TV. I won't even go into the cost of the coach's salaries. So yes maintaining your ratings so you get 1) free national media exposure 2) maintain connection with Alumni so they donate and 3) can pay your coaches salaries is critical. Academic quality of peer institutions means nothing if you aren't getting the free exposure because no one watches because your a highly ranked academic conference.

Ask the Pac-12. The CA Pac-12 schools are 4 of the top 50 most exclusive universities in the country and the result is they are rarely mentioned in many papers in the state and their ratings suck when compared to the Big 10 or SEC. And its not Californians have other things to do. The Sac Bee is filled with Pro and high school sports. Almost nothing about colleges however.

[Sactowndog]

I think the acceptance rate at WCC is 95.8%, which makes it the easiest school in Kansas, and perhaps on planet earth, to get into. I think there would be permanent indigestion in DC if someone like that were a "colleague" of Georgetown (not to mention other Big East schools).

The acceptance rate of Wichita state is 95% about the same as K-State and Kansas. The acceptance rate of Creighton is 72.7 hardly a top tier school..

Pomona College, where I attended is 9.1%
Smith College, where my wife attended is 36%

We have both traveled to Omaha to watch Volleyball. While I have tried to avoid straight attacks, the Creighton fans are one of the biggest stick up your a$$, smug fan bases for no apparent reason I have seen. The only fan base that compares with Creighton is CAL Berkeley and at least CAL's acceptance rate is 17.5. Even other Pac-12 schools hate Cal fans and I am sure it is just a matter of time before Creighton fans are the same. While I am not a Shocker fan, I am an anti-Creighton fan and I would definitely more then enjoy watching them shove it down your throat in a almost any sport solely because you guys are such a$$es as a fan base.

Why don't you try to get your acceptance rate under 50% before you look down your nose at other schools.

[24thSt]

I don't fully understand your insecurity about Creighton, but it's getting bizarre.

[Sactowndog]

Let's look at Acceptance rates by school shall we?

Georgetown 16.4
Villanova 49.3
Providence 55%
VCU 60%
St Johns 62.5%
Butler 68.5%
Xavier 73%
DePaul 72%
Creighton 72.7
Marquette 74%
Seton Hall 79.2%
Wichita State 95%

Bottom half of the league and they bitch about academics the most. Care to enlighten us Creighton fans why that is? Seems me Creighton fans ought to be begging for Wichita State otherwise they would be in the bottom quartile of the conference. Heck even Fresno State pulls a 58% acceptance rating... #smallpenissyndrome #myschoolsucksrookssobagonothers

[jfan]

You claim that you are not a shocker fan, but whenever anyone criticizes Wichita State, you go ballistic. You also claim that you know the Creighton fan base and that we are all smug as$$es. Yet you say that your only connection to Creighton is that you went to Pomona College and attended volleyball games in Omaha. Your comments reek of shockernet. You make statements with the same self absorbed assurance that everything you say is correct and why doesn't the rest of the world understand how important the shockers are to college basketball. Sorry, I'm not buying what you are so desperately trying to sell. The only smug person on this forum went to Pomona College!!

[Sactowndog]

Looks to me like Creighton is everyone's back up school.....

Can I get into Creighton University? These admission statistics provide an indication how difficult it is to get in and what your chances are. 6,103 out of 8,398 applicants or 73% were admitted making Creighton University a moderately competitive school to get into with a good chance of acceptance if you meet the requirements. Academically, it has very high requirements for admission test scores. Creighton University typically accepts and attracts A- average high school students. Only 17% of those admitted chose to enroll in the school.
Women Men Total
Applied 4,834 3,564 8,398
Accepted 3,566 2,537 6,103
Acceptance Rate 74% 71% 73%
Enrolled 576 449 1,025
Percent of Admitted Who Enrolled (Admission Yield) 16% 18% 17%

#thankgoddadhasmoney #moredollarsthanbrains

[Sactowndog]

You claim that you are not a shocker fan, but whenever anyone criticizes Wichita State, you go ballistic. You also claim that you know the Creighton fan base and that we are all smug as$$es. Yet you say that your only connection to Creighton is that you went to Pomona College and attended volleyball games in Omaha. Your comments reek of shockernet. You make statements with the same self absorbed assurance that everything you say is correct and why doesn't the rest of the world understand how important the shockers are to college basketball. Sorry, I'm not buying what you are so desperately trying to sell. The only smug person on this forum went to Pomona College!!

I didn't start the academic smack did I. You shouldn't start something you can't back up Creighton fans. But I will give you credit at least you got my college correct. That puts you one up on the rest of your peers.

And no I am not smug. Persistent and a pain in the ass for sure but definitely not smug. I only mentioned my school affiliation because someone nicely mentioned wanting to know my agenda which I openly provided.

[MUBoxer]

I think the acceptance rate at WCC is 95.8%, which makes it the easiest school in Kansas, and perhaps on planet earth, to get into. I think there would be permanent indigestion in DC if someone like that were a "colleague" of Georgetown (not to mention other Big East schools).

The acceptance rate of Wichita state is 95% about the same as K-State and Kansas. The acceptance rate of Creighton is 72.7 hardly a top tier school..

Pomona College, where I attended is 9.1%
Smith College, where my wife attended is 36%

We have both traveled to Omaha to watch Volleyball. While I have tried to avoid straight attacks, the Creighton fans are one of the biggest stick up your a$$, smug fan bases for no apparent reason I have seen. The only fan base that compares with Creighton is CAL Berkeley and at least CAL's acceptance rate is 17.5. Even other Pac-12 schools hate Cal fans and I am sure it is just a matter of time before Creighton fans are the same. While I am not a Shocker fan, I am an anti-Creighton fan and I would definitely more then enjoy watching them shove it down your throat in a almost any sport solely because you guys are such a$$es as a fan base.

Why don't you try to get your acceptance rate under 50% before you look down your nose at other schools.

Perhaps you're unaware how you're coming off but if you're representative of whatever the hell Pomona college is then I can't imagine they're much better than Creighton. I mean honestly you're calling others A$$es but you came to a conference basketball message board to solely rip on one school? Between the two sides that makes you look like the a$$ not them.

[Sactowndog]

I think the acceptance rate at WCC is 95.8%, which makes it the easiest school in Kansas, and perhaps on planet earth, to get into. I think there would be permanent indigestion in DC if someone like that were a "colleague" of Georgetown (not to mention other Big East schools).

The acceptance rate of Wichita state is 95% about the same as K-State and Kansas. The acceptance rate of Creighton is 72.7 hardly a top tier school..

Pomona College, where I attended is 9.1%
Smith College, where my wife attended is 36%

We have both traveled to Omaha to watch Volleyball. While I have tried to avoid straight attacks, the Creighton fans are one of the biggest stick up your a$$, smug fan bases for no apparent reason I have seen. The only fan base that compares with Creighton is CAL Berkeley and at least CAL's acceptance rate is 17.5. Even other Pac-12 schools hate Cal fans and I am sure it is just a matter of time before Creighton fans are the same. While I am not a Shocker fan, I am an anti-Creighton fan and I would definitely more then enjoy watching them shove it down your throat in a almost any sport solely because you guys are such a$$es as a fan base.

Why don't you try to get your acceptance rate under 50% before you look down your nose at other schools.

Perhaps you're unaware how you're coming off but if you're representative of whatever the hell Pomona college is then I can't imagine they're much better than Creighton. I mean honestly you're calling others A$$es but you came to a conference basketball message board to solely rip on one school? Between the two sides that makes you look like the a$$ not them.

No I came on to discuss ratings and why something needed to be done. I just responded to the Creighton smack. They are free to defend their school's academic reputation which I didn't impugn until just now.

[GoldenWarrior11]

There is absolutely no argument as to why any current members of the Big East are in the conference. Each school, even if the basketball program has an off-year or is undergoing a rebuilding phase, provides value to the conference. Creighton, Xavier and Butler have been, arguably, three of the strongest additions to any conference during the 2010-2013 realignment cycle. Ever since they were added, a majority of C7 fans have overwhelmingly embraced and supported their inclusion - and recognize that they are true peers to the C7 and current incarnation of the Big East. Any fan, supporter or observer that argues otherwise with their respective inclusion is in denial or does not recognize what the current Big East is.

As to potential value for the current Big East, and its respective renegotiation cycle in a few years, conferences that get paid not only offer value (which is exactly what the Big East has always done and will continue to do) but there needs to also be a demand for their viewership. ESPN, both notoriously and documented, tried to kill the Old Big East by ripping apart the conference, selling off the most valuable assets (Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Louisville, West Virginia and Notre Dame) to existing properties (ACC and Big 12) and devaluing the remainder in order to get quality content for below average price (AAC). Thankfully, Fox stepped in and paid a great sum for a non-football property, where the basketball schools not only got more money than under their previous contract, but also more money than the football incarnation of the former conference (over twice as much). In the next go around, the Big East can not only expect to be paid well for their media rights, but also expect a bump in pay because other networks will want the inventory (ESPN included). Fox has invested so much in the content, and value east coast content to counter the mass amounts of west coast content they had/already have. The Big East has an elite basketball brand - on par with the B1G, ACC, PAC-12, Big 12 and SEC - and has provided elite basketball results. They offer strong content during the basketball season, as well as the Big East Tournament in New York in March - a huge asset in itself. It will get compensated more than fairly.

The Big East is in as strong as a position as the B1G, SEC, and PAC-12 in terms of conference stability and strength. The league has grown, developed and progressed into a power basketball conference, again, since its reorganization - much to the surprise (and frustration) of many fans of other teams and conferences. The conference will continue to build itself up and firmly establish itself as a power basketball conference (if it hasn't already).

SactownDog, welcome to HLH, and congrats on Fresno State's hire of Jeff Tedford - home run hire for the program.