Selection Sunday Discussion

[Hall2012]

I get SOS matters, and it likely was the difference (in conjunction with the name on the front of the jersey). But what it tells me is the shitty teams Duke beat were slightly less shitty than the ones SHU beat. Against quality opponents, Seton Hall outperformed Duke, especially away from home.

[stever20]

I get SOS matters, and it likely was the difference (in conjunction with the name on the front of the jersey). But what it tells me is the shitty teams Duke beat were slightly less shitty than the ones SHU beat. Against quality opponents, Seton Hall outperformed Duke, especially away from home.

Duke's OOC had 6 teams who made the NCAA. Kentucky, VCU, Yale, Indiana, Buffalo, and Utah
Seton Hall OOC had 1 team- Wichita St.

looking back on it, the big loss for the year for Seton Hall was them losing to Long Beach St in the Charleston Classic. a win there, and they get Virginia, which would have been a HUGE chance for them....

[stever20]

also Duke had 10 games in conference play vs Tourney level teams. total record for all 16 games... 7-9
Seton Hall had 10 games in conference play vs tourney level teams. total record for all 11 games... 6-5

Seton Hall has a lot going for them in this. I think it's really all the OOC schedule.....

[stever20]

Ken Pom has his predictions out for known games....

Nova vs UNC Asheville- Nova 77-64 90%
Xavier vs Weber St- X 80-68 86%
Seton Hall vs Gonzaga- SH 73-72 51%
Butler vs Texas Tech- But 75-74 51%
Providence vs USC- PC 76-75 51%

[Jet915]

Ken Pom has his predictions out for known games....

Nova vs UNC Asheville- Nova 77-64 90%
Xavier vs Weber St- X 80-68 86%
Seton Hall vs Gonzaga- SH 73-72 51%
Butler vs Texas Tech- But 75-74 51%
Providence vs USC- PC 76-75 51%

I think the toughest matchup is Gonzaga, they have a ton of talent and have underachieved.

[stever20]

Ken Pom has his predictions out for known games....

Nova vs UNC Asheville- Nova 77-64 90%
Xavier vs Weber St- X 80-68 86%
Seton Hall vs Gonzaga- SH 73-72 51%
Butler vs Texas Tech- But 75-74 51%
Providence vs USC- PC 76-75 51%

I think the toughest matchup is Gonzaga, they have a ton of talent and have underachieved.

here's their losses this year...
Texas A&M by 1
Arizona by 5
UCLA by 5
BYU by 1
St Mary's by 3
SMU by 9
St Mary's by 5

just looking at KP's matchup preview- 2 big things....
1 rebounding... Gonzaga off reb #101, SH def reb #225. SH Off Reb #33, Gonz #32.
2 turnovers. Gonzaga is one of the worst in the country in forcing turnovers only 14.9% of the time. Seton Hall is pretty bad at turning over the ball. So can Gonzaga force turnovers that are unusual for the, or can Seton Hall control the ball, something that is unusual for them?

Butler/Texas Tech
stat I love. Butler off rebounding #68 in the country. Texas Tech def rebounding #299 in the country. Huge advantage for Butler....

PC/USC
rebounding again will be the key. Both teams are really good offensive rebounding teams, while defensive rebounding can be problems(USC #275, PC #200). Also, poss. length will be huge when USC has the ball- they are #19 in the country in quickest poss. at 15.4 seconds. PC defensively has been at 17.6 seconds-- 263 longest.

[BEX]

St. Bona RPI 29 got hosed so bad they should open a criminal investigation. Tulsa?

[stever20]

St. Bona RPI 29 got hosed so bad they should open a criminal investigation. Tulsa?

I agree. #30 RPI... 7-5 vs RPI top 100. 82 SOS is decent, as is 151 OOC SOS. avg win 151, avg loss 94 4-3 vs teams in the tourney
Tulsa by comp #58 RPI. 8-8 vs RPI top 100. 60 SOS, 106 OOC SOS. Avg win 163. AVg loss 73 6-6 vs teams in the tourney.

[stever20]

one thing, it does feel to some degree like this year is a turning point in the battle between the AAC and the A10. AAC getting 4 in- 3 of them easily while the A10 only gets 3 in- 1st time that's happened.

Dayton was #26 this year at 25-7
St Joe's was #32 this year at 27-7
but then....
Cincy was #35 this year at 22-9
UConn was #36 this year at 24-10
Temple was #38 this year at 21-11
VCU was #40 this year at 24-10
and Tulsa gets in over St Bonnies...

So Temple wins 6 fewer games, but is only 6 spots behind St Joe's.

The question will be is this a 1 year blip, or is it the start of a trend....

The thing is I think the F5 and BE feel like the AAC is more like them than the A10 is quite frankly....

interested to get folks thoughts here on this....

[Flyer75]

one thing, it does feel to some degree like this year is a turning point in the battle between the AAC and the A10. AAC getting 4 in- 3 of them easily while the A10 only gets 3 in- 1st time that's happened.

Dayton was #26 this year at 25-7
St Joe's was #32 this year at 27-7
but then....
Cincy was #35 this year at 22-9
UConn was #36 this year at 24-10
Temple was #38 this year at 21-11
VCU was #40 this year at 24-10
and Tulsa gets in over St Bonnies...

So Temple wins 6 fewer games, but is only 6 spots behind St Joe's.

The question will be is this a 1 year blip, or is it the start of a trend....

The thing is I think the F5 and BE feel like the AAC is more like them than the A10 is quite frankly....

interested to get folks thoughts here on this....

C'mon Steven....you know good and well the A10 was better this year....again. Tulsa is a complete joke to get in this thing while SBU has the 2nd highest RPI to never get an invite. If you an ounce of basketball knowledge in your head and any integrity you'll admit the A10 should have had 4 in this; and Tulsa (in 0/57 brackets on bracket matrix) should have been left out. It's not a trend; it's utter insanity and a pay off from a committee member to Tulsa.

if you are wondering how Tulsa got in ... it was in the bag. No one had Tulsa projected in a bracket

Joe Fedorowicz ‏@JoeFedorowicz
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