Tues 1/5 Games: MU-PC, GTown-Creighton, Butler-DePaul

[taa71458]

No offense to our Marquette and Creighton friends, but what a disaster day in terms of NCAA. Projections for the big east.

I feel like stever.

You think Georgetown is an NCAA team?

[whiteandblue77]

Creighton is absolutely still in it

[ecasadoSBU]

No offense to our Marquette and Creighton friends, but what a disaster day in terms of NCAA. Projections for the big east.

I feel like stever.

I'm surprised that is coming from you. But I agree. Terrible day for the Big East and the perception of its top teams

[Doge McDermott]

Creighton has no chance of dancing.

Care to explain? Three of our five losses were to ranked teams (#4, #3, and #16, respectively.) Arizona State isn't the dumpster fire we thought they were when we lost to them. Loyola is our only "true" bad loss at the moment.

Watching the rest of the league, I think the only team that Creighton does not legitimately have a chance of beating is Nova. I never understood why people wrote Creighton off as the top of the bottom feeders. We're solidly in the middle, and with the league talking about 4-6 bids, there is absolutely a chance that Creighton dances this year. Just gotta go out there and win.

[taa71458]

No offense to our Marquette and Creighton friends, but what a disaster day in terms of NCAA. Projections for the big east.

I feel like stever.

I'm surprised that is coming from you. But I agree. Terrible day for the Big East and the perception of its top teams

Georgetown is far from a top team this year

[BoarCommaThe]

Anyone else at the CU/GT game hear/see Tre Campbell yell 'boom' at the CU bench after making a three on their first possession of the game? Then he went on to go 0-3 for his next 3 3s and finish with 5ish points? Pretty cocky, in my opinion you better be able to back it up.

I saw sitting right behind CU's bench when he did this. Everyone was all over him after he did that. He was very quiet the rest of the game. Seemed like it got our competitive juices flowing though which wasn't a bad thing!

[whiteandblue77]

Right now Massey has CU projected to go 10-8, but I think we can turn one of those prediction games around, I pick X at home, where we have played well against the Musketeers. So that would be a HUGE rpi boost and would put us at 11-7 and 20-11 going into MSG. We win two there and at 22-12 we would have an outside chance to be in the play-in game. Not a great shot but it could happen. If Watson keeps improving you could see a couple more upsets as well.

We had a shit OOC and we apologize for that... Georgetown is actually our first top 100 rpi win, so we're set to see our rpi SPIKE if we take care of business in the BE.

[CPJays]

BE has 4 solidly in. Hall could be in with a .500 conference record. CU, GU and MU all have to put in at least 10-8 probably 11-7 or better conference records to make it, but they still have a shot. Way too many potential huge wins in conference play to write anyone except SJU and DePaul off right.

[notkirkcameron]

Creighton has no chance of dancing.

Care to explain? Three of our five losses were to ranked teams (#4, #3, and #16, respectively.) Arizona State isn't the dumpster fire we thought they were when we lost to them. Loyola is our only "true" bad loss at the moment.

Watching the rest of the league, I think the only team that Creighton does not legitimately have a chance of beating is Nova. I never understood why people wrote Creighton off as the top of the bottom feeders. We're solidly in the middle, and with the league talking about 4-6 bids, there is absolutely a chance that Creighton dances this year. Just gotta go out there and win.

OK, I'll bite. Blind Resume Time

Team A
1-4 vs. RPI Top 100
RPI: 105
Nonconference SOS: 264
"Bad Losses" (teams below RPI 150): 1

Team B
3-3 vs. RPI Top 100
RPI: 92
Nonconference SOS: 287
"Bad Losses" (Teams below RPI 150): 0

Team B, while they are likely not dancing with that mark, are the better team, right? No bad losses, slightly better RPI, more Top 100 matches, and only a slightly worse nonconference schedule.

Team A is Creighton. Team B is Marquette, whose nonconference schedule has been universally derided as a disaster, potentially crippling MU's tournament hopes, making the Warriors a bubble team at best.

Unfortunately for Creighton, it's not enough to just "not lose." You have to win against someone of note. At the moment, Creighton lacks a signature nonconference, and arguably lacks a signature conference win. Creighton's best win in the nonconference slate was against Nebraska. At home. Nebraska's RPI is #197. Their KenPom rating is better, but still only #149; a few spots above Nebraska-Omaha. All of Creighton's other nonconference wins were against teams below 150 in KenPom, and with RPIs over 210.

Creighton may very well be a world-beating team that can knock off some giants in the Big East this year and claim some quality conference scalps, but it's January 6 and we haven't seen it yet.

[R Jay]

Creighton has no chance of dancing.

Care to explain? Three of our five losses were to ranked teams (#4, #3, and #16, respectively.) Arizona State isn't the dumpster fire we thought they were when we lost to them. Loyola is our only "true" bad loss at the moment.

Watching the rest of the league, I think the only team that Creighton does not legitimately have a chance of beating is Nova. I never understood why people wrote Creighton off as the top of the bottom feeders. We're solidly in the middle, and with the league talking about 4-6 bids, there is absolutely a chance that Creighton dances this year. Just gotta go out there and win.

OK, I'll bite. Blind Resume Time

Team A
1-4 vs. RPI Top 100
RPI: 105
Nonconference SOS: 264
"Bad Losses" (teams below RPI 150): 1

Team B
3-3 vs. RPI Top 100
RPI: 92
Nonconference SOS: 287
"Bad Losses" (Teams below RPI 150): 0

Team B, while they are likely not dancing with that mark, are the better team, right? No bad losses, slightly better RPI, more Top 100 matches, and only a slightly worse nonconference schedule.

Team A is Creighton. Team B is Marquette, whose nonconference schedule has been universally derided as a disaster, potentially crippling MU's tournament hopes, making the Warriors a bubble team at best.

Unfortunately for Creighton, it's not enough to just "not lose." You have to win against someone of note. At the moment, Creighton lacks a signature nonconference, and arguably lacks a signature conference win. Creighton's best win in the nonconference slate was against Nebraska. At home. Nebraska's RPI is #197. Their KenPom rating is better, but still only #149; a few spots above Nebraska-Omaha. All of Creighton's other nonconference wins were against teams below 150 in KenPom, and with RPIs over 210.

Creighton may very well be a world-beating team that can knock off some giants in the Big East this year and claim some quality conference scalps, but it's January 6 and we haven't seen it yet.

Well then, it's a good thing that there are 15 games plus the Big East Tournament left this season.