BE Games Mon 11/16 - 2g - Umbc-SJU, IUPUI-Marquette...

[Jet915]

And who have you beat?
#254 Wagner
#328 UMBC

Sorry, but that's not impressive.

SJU not losing to cupcakes is the most im expecting this year...maybe beat Rutgers?

[NJRedman]

And who have you beat?
#254 Wagner
#328 UMBC

Sorry, but that's not impressive.

Who said it was impressive? You make it seem like we're lucky to win 8 games. I say best case scenario is 8th in the league and an NIT invite and you try to say that thats not even possible 2 games into the season. Look at who lost to teams of that caliber. UCLA, Marquette, Georgetown, Virginia, Wisconsin, NC State, Virginia Tech, Illinois, Arizona St and Miss St.

[NJRedman]

And who have you beat?
#254 Wagner
#328 UMBC

Sorry, but that's not impressive.

SJU not losing to cupcakes is the most im expecting this year...maybe beat Rutgers?

We can beat Wake in Maui.

[stever20]

And who have you beat?
#254 Wagner
#328 UMBC

Sorry, but that's not impressive.

Who said it was impressive? You make it seem like we're lucky to win 8 games. I say best case scenario is 8th in the league and an NIT invite and you try to say that thats not even possible 2 games into the season. Look at who lost to teams of that caliber. UCLA, Marquette, Georgetown, Virginia, Wisconsin, NC State, Virginia Tech, Illinois, Arizona St and Miss St.

For you to get in the NIT you would need to win at least 17-18 games. If you are 8th in the league, that would be a 6-12 record tops. That would require you to get to 17 wins to win 11 games OOC and in the BET. or 7-11 and 10 games OOC. Considering all that you have left- going to be really tough. And 17-15 would be even bubble on the NIT quite frankly. Also remember in Maui, if they see Chaminade, that won't count as a win to the committee.

[Bluejay]

And who have you beat?
#254 Wagner
#328 UMBC

Sorry, but that's not impressive.

They're certainly no south florida!

[MUBoxer]

And who have you beat?
#254 Wagner
#328 UMBC

Sorry, but that's not impressive.

Who said it was impressive? You make it seem like we're lucky to win 8 games. I say best case scenario is 8th in the league and an NIT invite and you try to say that thats not even possible 2 games into the season. Look at who lost to teams of that caliber. UCLA, Marquette, Georgetown, Virginia, Wisconsin, NC State, Virginia Tech, Illinois, Arizona St and Miss St.

Belmont and North Florida who beat MU and Illinois are not "teams of that caliber" they're tournament teams last year that return pretty much everybody. They're head and shoulders above teams like wagner and umbc. Specifically Belmont who is at the level Butler was in the Horizon or Davidson pre A-10 etc. Now if you wanted to say Marquette struggled or nearly lost to a team of that caliber that's fair but belmont is much better than wagner or umbc

[NJRedman]

And who have you beat?
#254 Wagner
#328 UMBC

Sorry, but that's not impressive.

Who said it was impressive? You make it seem like we're lucky to win 8 games. I say best case scenario is 8th in the league and an NIT invite and you try to say that thats not even possible 2 games into the season. Look at who lost to teams of that caliber. UCLA, Marquette, Georgetown, Virginia, Wisconsin, NC State, Virginia Tech, Illinois, Arizona St and Miss St.

For you to get in the NIT you would need to win at least 17-18 games. If you are 8th in the league, that would be a 6-12 record tops. That would require you to get to 17 wins to win 11 games OOC and in the BET. or 7-11 and 10 games OOC. Considering all that you have left- going to be really tough. And 17-15 would be even bubble on the NIT quite frankly. Also remember in Maui, if they see Chaminade, that won't count as a win to the committee.

Well if we beat Wake we could see UCLA who is also beatable. Why is it always always always the worst case scenario with you?

[NJRedman]

And who have you beat?
#254 Wagner
#328 UMBC

Sorry, but that's not impressive.

Who said it was impressive? You make it seem like we're lucky to win 8 games. I say best case scenario is 8th in the league and an NIT invite and you try to say that thats not even possible 2 games into the season. Look at who lost to teams of that caliber. UCLA, Marquette, Georgetown, Virginia, Wisconsin, NC State, Virginia Tech, Illinois, Arizona St and Miss St.

Belmont and North Florida who beat MU and Illinois are not "teams of that caliber" they're tournament teams last year that return pretty much everybody. They're head and shoulders above teams like wagner and umbc. Specifically Belmont who is at the level Butler was in the Horizon or Davidson pre A-10 etc. Now if you wanted to say Marquette struggled or nearly lost to a team of that caliber that's fair but belmont is much better than wagner or umbc

I meant low major schools when I said teams of that caliber. I wouldn't say Belmont is like Butler pre-A10 days. Thats a team who went to back to back national title games. Thats not Belmont.

[stever20]

Here's the thing with St John's.
If they go 6-12 in conference play to finish 8th.....(which is the record that the 8th place team has gotten both years)
they would need to go 11-2 OOC to finish 17-14 which would be NIT bubble...

Sorry but 16-15 just doesn't get teams in the NIT any more.

[Edrick]

I meant low major schools when I said teams of that caliber. I wouldn't say Belmont is like Butler pre-A10 days. Thats a team who went to back to back national title games. Thats not Belmont.

Yeah, they aren't close. Butler will move past Texas in a few weeks for 17th in most weeks in the Top 25 the last 10 years, having moved past Marquette this week. Butler was typically in the Top 25 in the Horizon League, not just winning their league. Belmont is closer to something like Creighton in the MVC, or perhaps SIU before them. There's a big distinction between winning enough to make yourself stand-out in your league and enough to stand out nationally. Interestingly Xavier's 47 weeks doesn't compare with BU's 87 either.